Only because we have made squeezing so expensive. That said, I think moving away from the union in Seattle will be seen as worth the squeeze and will drive the move to a non 737 platform.

Remember that great contract the Teamsters got out of UPS a couple years ago? 48,000 losing their jobs now, and more to come. Same will happen at Boeing. It always does, it just takes time.

While you're on my "Ignore List",
this one time I looked to see what
the 3rd smartest guy in the room had to retort.

I'm typing this slow because I'm sure you don't read very fast.



Wrong, as usual.

We know every subsonic airfoil shape there is.
The possibile .00001% of efficiency that might be left is inconsequential.
And I'm sure being the rocket scientist that you are,
the lightweight materials are all known.

Area rule?
Wetted area?

We know it inside and out.

Discovering what efficiency is left is financially prohibitive.


Now, back to my Ignore List with you.

Cannot say anything about crew, but IMHO A320 and 737 were indistinguishable for the passengers. All I cared about was lack of legroom. When AIrbus introduced the thin seats, I was okay with it, but my wife really hated them.

Engines continue to evolve and that might drive airframe changes to accommodate larger diameter fans. Light strong materials have been known a long time, but prices can move, making lighter materials more competitive, allowing longer more efficient wings.

Structural codes and manufacturing have improved, making it possible to build an airframe that is lighter because it isn't stronger than it needs to be.

None of those is going to be a huge win, but its a very competitive market. Whether Boeing can recoup the capital required to build a new plane is unclear, but I think right not Airbus is in a winning position, and I expect to see Chinese airliners on the international market in the next 10 years.

Cannot say anything about crew, but IMHO A320 and 737 were indistinguishable for the passengers. All I cared about was lack of legroom. When AIrbus introduced the thin seats, I was okay with it, but my wife really hated them.

I think it had a lot more to do with the fact that the 737 was certified in the 1960's and is cheaper to manufacture because of the standards that were in place then.

They had a replacement, the 757, but they stuck with the 737 because it was cheaper to produce and therefore more profitable.

Arnie, is it possible for you to disagree with someone without being offensive, abusive and patronising?

I believe we should converse on BT in the same manner we would in person. If your personality is such that you are incapable of behaving with common decency then perhaps you should leave.

Cannot say anything about crew, but IMHO A320 and 737 were indistinguishable for the passengers. All I cared about was lack of legroom. When AIrbus introduced the thin seats, I was okay with it, but my wife really hated them.

Not for SWA. Like Emirates, SWA drives many design changes and places big orders. The 737NG was only supposed to be a stop-gap airplane between the classic and a new - clean sheet design. SWA came along and ordered the 737NG by the thousands, and they still wanted the dreaded 6-pack efis display w no auto throttles, yep that's what they got.

Boeing is in the business to sell airplanes and it's what the customer wanted. Airline pilots love to complain on what an airplane doesn't have but they don't pay the bills.

No.

Boeing did it because it offered the most ROI.

We know most of what we're going to know about subsonic jetliners.

Not much new ground to break.

Not for SWA. Like Emirates, SWA drives many design changes and places big orders. The 737NG was only supposed to be a stop-gap airplane between the classic and a new - clean sheet design. SWA came along and ordered the 737NG by the thousands, and they still wanted the dreaded 6-pack efis display w no auto throttles, yep that's what they got.

Boeing is in the business to sell airplanes and it's what the customer wanted. Airline pilots love to complain on what an airplane doesn't have but they don't pay the bills.

Let’s try something:



Direct, concise, factual, and delivers the message in a way that it might actually be received. Why can’t we just do that?

.....and with ChatGPT a machinist can become an Aerospace Engineer.

Cannot say anything about crew, but IMHO A320 and 737 were indistinguishable for the passengers. All I cared about was lack of legroom. When AIrbus introduced the thin seats, I was okay with it, but my wife really hated them.

Good for them. but i think they are out of room