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I've owned this airplane 3 years so not for sale (seriously this time); it was the pick of my litter. I did the paint, interior, glass, boots and inspections. Maybe the panel is up next. I put a lot of detail into the paint and interior like doing the gear wells, getting rid all the useless cabinets and dividers and making it light. A 501 is not the fastest jet out there but they do so many things right for me that there's no substitute.


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Nice job Michael.

I like the open concept, and great visual from cockpit to cabin and vice versa.

The brown/tan interior is very homy and cozy.

Am I counting right? 5Pax + 2 crew. What's your useful load?

What does a normal loadout look like concerning adult passengers? Adults with kids? With included baggage?

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It looks amazing Michael and that interior is just fantastic! I’m impressed by how much you got done in the short time since I last saw it.
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I've owned this airplane 3 years so not for sale (seriously this time)

Oh, there's a price, I'm sure.

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Very very nice. :thumbup:


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Nice job Michael.

I like the open concept, and great visual from cockpit to cabin and vice versa.

The brown/tan interior is very homy and cozy.

Am I counting right? 5Pax + 2 crew. What's your useful load?

What does a normal loadout look like concerning adult passengers? Adults with kids? With included baggage?


With full fuel, you can put 1250 of people and stuff on board. There's no way to load it out of CG with normal human beings.


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Fantastic Mike!


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Wait, so if you sell jets long enough you can afford one for yourself? I need to start selling jets!


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How fast is it?

Someday you need to fly a Piaggio. I have a feeling you would like it.


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How fast is it?

Someday you need to fly a Piaggio. I have a feeling you would like it.


They aren't that fast, 350kts is about all they do BUT what they can do is get into my 2900 ft mountain strip or take me to a 3,000 ft Bahamas strip. I know I would love a Piaggio too.


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How fast is it?

Someday you need to fly a Piaggio. I have a feeling you would like it.


They aren't that fast, 350kts is about all they do BUT what they can do is get into my 2900 ft mountain strip or take me to a 3,000 ft Bahamas strip. I know I would love a Piaggio too.


Yes, but can they meet the same accelerate/stop and accelerate/go performance as a Citation?

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They aren't that fast, 350kts is about all they do BUT what they can do is get into my 2900 ft mountain strip or take me to a 3,000 ft Bahamas strip.

Citation V will do that.

And 425 KTAS if you want it to, or you can be leisurely and do 400 KTAS. This matters when facing a headwind. I recently had 172 knots headwind, a 501 being 75 knots slower matters a lot in those conditions.

I doubt there are paved airports the 501 can use that I can't when loaded for the same mission.

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Yes, but can they meet the same accelerate/stop and accelerate/go performance as a Citation?

That's always the apples versus oranges problem with runway performance, the turboprops are not doing it with an engine failure.

I had my first V1 cut in the actual airplane during recent training. I'm not sure passengers would have even noticed had there been any.



The Avanti is a nice turboprop, but it is still a turboprop. I can't afford one, so I'm stuck with a Citation V. Oh well. :-)

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They aren't that fast, 350kts is about all they do BUT what they can do is get into my 2900 ft mountain strip or take me to a 3,000 ft Bahamas strip.

Citation V will do that.

And 425 KTAS if you want it to, or you can be leisurely and do 400 KTAS. This matters when facing a headwind. I recently had 172 knots headwind, a 501 being 75 knots slower matters a lot in those conditions.

I doubt there are paved airports the 501 can use that I can't when loaded for the same mission.

Mike C.


I got a wingspan issue. The 501 is about as big as I can get into my home strip and my mountain strip. Any bigger than this I’m going to hit something eventually. I’ve heard two stories on the part 23 versus part 25 performance numbers. Mike, check out a 2900 ft strip at 4400ft elevation. I’m not 100% positive if you can violate the book numbers part 25 and there are some scenarios where you can’t get out of here via the book with a 560. V1 can be at brake release. I’ve heard examiners tell me both stories: it doesn’t matter and some say no.

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