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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 30 Aug 2024, 13:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: My turbonormalized Cardinal RG does 165 knots at 8.9GPH at 17,500'. At FL 210 its 173 knots at 8.9GPH. Rich of peak, 11.9 GPH, its 10 knots faster. I'm not sure that the SR20 has a bigger cabin than the Cardinal. The Cardinal is 48" wide at the shoulders. BTW, I have cruised at FL250, but at that altitude boot strapping can be a factor to deal with.
Vince Turbocharging is cheating.
Nah, it's just plain smart aviating. Better flying with better technology.
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 30 Aug 2024, 18:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: This thread is just baiting the Mooney owners. And maybe a DA42-VI owner if we have any in the house. Fine! You got me! M20J 300 Missile in snail mode.
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 30 Aug 2024, 20:16 |
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Joined: 01/28/13 Posts: 6193 Post Likes: +4221 Location: Indiana
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Username Protected wrote: This thread is just baiting the Mooney owners. And maybe a DA42-VI owner if we have any in the house. Fine! You got me! M20J 300 Missile in snail mode.
Well done Will. Whew efficient and fast.
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 31 Aug 2024, 21:55 |
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Joined: 04/29/13 Posts: 753 Post Likes: +540
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Username Protected wrote: Cabin width is 49” vs 48” of the 177RG. You don't have to climb up on a wing to get into a Cardinal. Vince
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 31 Aug 2024, 22:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cabin width is 49” vs 48” of the 177RG. You don't have to climb up on a wing to get into a Cardinal. Vince The front seats of the Cardinal RG have to be the easiest piston single to enter/exit. Low door-sill height, no struts in the way and a really big door.
But make sure you never let the door swing open by itself if there's wind behind the airplane, better yet, never park the plane heading away from the wind.
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 02 Sep 2024, 22:12 |
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Joined: 09/18/21 Posts: 367 Post Likes: +316
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That Cardinal is a great airplane, and as I posted earlier remarkably efficient. I like them enough that I own 2 of them. But let's be clear, if someone offered to trade my 177RG for a SR20 I would take that deal in a heartbeat! Composite construction (no corrosion!), parachute, no hydraulics, etc...
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 04 Sep 2024, 17:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: Fine! You got me!
M20J 300 Missile in snail mode. 19 [statute] mpg at 186 [statute] mph. Hell of a snail you got there.
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 04 Sep 2024, 19:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: This thread is just baiting the Mooney owners. And maybe a DA42-VI owner if we have any in the house. Fine! You got me! M20J 300 Missile in snail mode.
Pretty efficient but what's with the oil pressure?
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 04 Sep 2024, 20:42 |
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Very few of us here buy an airplane to have the cheapest airplane to operate. Speed, climb rate, number of seats, useful load, blah, blah, blah are often more important.
That said.... I don't think there is any certified airplane that will beat the e-series bonanzas and 225 hp debonair's on fuel costs per mile when run on unleaded mogas. Plus you get all the benefits of no tetra ethyl lead in the fuel today.
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 07:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: A plane costing half of what a Cirrus does in acquisition and the other costs, yet burning more fuel can be the more cost effective airplane in the approximate performance category. IIRC, Richard Bach once commented in a book he bought the fuel for his T-33 with the money he saved by not buying a Learjet (or something like that). 
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 14:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: Pretty efficient but what's with the oil pressure? I'd guess that's the original 201 analog oil pressure gauge and the IO-550 Missile engine runs at lower pressure? Continental seem to suggest 30-60psi for normal operation. That does make me curious as to whether the OEM oil gauge should be replaced as part of the conversion.
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Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 16:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Very few of us here buy an airplane to have the cheapest airplane to operate. Speed, climb rate, number of seats, useful load, blah, blah, blah are often more important.
That said.... I don't think there is any certified airplane that will beat the e-series bonanzas and 225 hp debonair's on fuel costs per mile when run on unleaded mogas. Plus you get all the benefits of no tetra ethyl lead in the fuel today.
Leldon I have a pamphlet published back in the 1960s about the early 35s. Many of those models were capable of 20 smpg, though not reaching the speeds of some of the modern rockets.
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