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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 13 Nov 2023, 20:21 |
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 14 Nov 2023, 08:21 |
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Is that southwest hangar in Tulsa? Sorta looks familiar
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 14 Nov 2023, 22:32 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 20003 Post Likes: +25057 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: Days like this, the Avanti is a hard plane to beat. 86 knot tailwind will make any plane look really good! 644 pph for 387 KTAS is nice, I need about 1000 pph to do that, and I would be in the low 40s. Quote: On another thread there is commentary in various panels, single pilot workload, etc. I will say the garmin setup w gtn750 driving everything in Avanti I is as solid as I can imagine. Rerouting and reprogramming is easy, everything is displayed nicely and it’s all heads up. Great system. Totally agree! Now I just need to get a new AP to go with it to pull out the SPZ system. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Nov 2023, 00:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: Daryl,
You have a beautiful bird.. I think I was the most plain jane bird in the hanger lol David, thank you! It was fun coming up with that paint scheme. How do you like the new brake kit? Do you recommend switching?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Nov 2023, 08:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Days like this, the Avanti is a hard plane to beat. 86 knot tailwind will make any plane look really good! 644 pph for 387 KTAS is nice, I need about 1000 pph to do that, and I would be in the low 40s. Quote: On another thread there is commentary in various panels, single pilot workload, etc. I will say the garmin setup w gtn750 driving everything in Avanti I is as solid as I can imagine. Rerouting and reprogramming is easy, everything is displayed nicely and it’s all heads up. Great system. Totally agree! Now I just need to get a new AP to go with it to pull out the SPZ system. Mike C.
Mike - what would benefit be for you w Garmin AP? Servicability? The Collins digital ap in Avanti I is quite good. I am not sure how Garmin would be better outside of I am sure parts are cheaper/easier to source and likely more modern architecture.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Nov 2023, 08:26 |
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Joined: 06/06/21 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +11 Company: Lake Martin Dock Company Location: Eclectic, AL
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Username Protected wrote: Is that southwest hangar in Tulsa? Sorta looks familiar Matt - Tulsa is a great facility and team - but this is SIMSAIR at Houston Executive
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Nov 2023, 08:34 |
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Joined: 06/06/21 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +11 Company: Lake Martin Dock Company Location: Eclectic, AL
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Username Protected wrote: Daryl,
You have a beautiful bird.. I think I was the most plain jane bird in the hanger lol David, thank you! It was fun coming up with that paint scheme. How do you like the new brake kit? Do you recommend switching?
Dayrl, Yes on the brakes.. IMO the Carbon brakes were meant for the Anti-Lock system that we are all wired for, but is not installed... I already can tell the difference, for example - with Carbon, it was hard to hold the plane and runup the power for a max gross departure - the carbon brakes would not be hot enough to hold, and it would creap foward, the new steel brakes - solid, no issues.. No grabbing after touch down and turning off the runway, etc like the carbon.. I personally feel like I would have a hard time sliding/flat spotting any tires due to not being able to feel the brakes ( grabbing ) - Not sure if that makes sense.. but on really wet days, I would find it difficult to find the sweet spot if I needed to use brakes at all.. In general, I never use them outside of parking and run up.. but my home airport has a downhill feature, so .. Probably just me being a terrible pilot, but that is my .02 
New Steel Brakes - https://photos.app.goo.gl/cbD2fwvKWFo7BS2N8
David
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Nov 2023, 08:40 |
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Joined: 06/06/21 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +11 Company: Lake Martin Dock Company Location: Eclectic, AL
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Username Protected wrote: Days like this, the Avanti is a hard plane to beat. 86 knot tailwind will make any plane look really good! 644 pph for 387 KTAS is nice, I need about 1000 pph to do that, and I would be in the low 40s. Quote: On another thread there is commentary in various panels, single pilot workload, etc. I will say the garmin setup w gtn750 driving everything in Avanti I is as solid as I can imagine. Rerouting and reprogramming is easy, everything is displayed nicely and it’s all heads up. Great system. Totally agree! Now I just need to get a new AP to go with it to pull out the SPZ system. Mike C.
Mike - Difference is, you don't have to leave anyone or anything behind... Don't get me wrong, I love the Avanti II , but the max gross is not optional and causes tough choices on the 1,000nm trips.. Just wish I bought a Citation V pre-covid when I thought I did not need the range...
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Nov 2023, 09:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mike - what would benefit be for you w Garmin AP? Servicability? There are a host of benefits. Serviceability is perhaps one of them, but it isn't hard to get SPZ 500 repairs. Not terribly expensive. But still, older boxes. Simplicity would be a benefit. I counted 13 boxes that would be removed if I could upgrade to a Garmin AP. This included the entire AC system (dual inverters, fail over relays, etc) because the SPZ is the last system on the plane that uses AC power. I would also ditch the radar altimeter switching over to a GPS derived AGL readout instead (RA required for SPZ). Weight reduction would be significant, probably 100-150 lbs. I'd lose about a dozen breakers on the plane, too. Reliability should improve with less boxes to go wrong, less wiring, etc. Operationally, I would get full VNAV capability, the plane would precisely fly SIDs and STARs meeting each crossing altitude. That would be nice. It would allow me to dial in vertical speed and indicated airspeed bugs. Right now, my SPZ can only hold the current VS or IAS so to change it, you have to pitch to the new VS or IAS then reengage. An ability to directly dial those set points on the PFD would be nice. The Garmin AP also offers a LVL button and better envelope protection. The Garmin AP would annunciate on the PFD so I can ditch the discrete indicators I have now (that I never look at as it turns out). It would be nice to have the navigator, PFD, and AP all from the same vendor so that they are perfectly seamless in operation. Quote: The Collins digital ap in Avanti I is quite good. I am not sure how Garmin would be better outside of I am sure parts are cheaper/easier to source and likely more modern architecture. The Garmin might not be better than what you have, though I suspect it would be. For me, it would clearly be better. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Nov 2023, 10:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mike - what would benefit be for you w Garmin AP? Servicability? The Collins digital ap in Avanti I is quite good. I am not sure how Garmin would be better outside of I am sure parts are cheaper/easier to source and likely more modern architecture. Biggest actual feature capability would be VNAV integration. Not sure you’ve been following my thread about how VNAV interacts with LPV but it’s kinda unwieldy. Getting rid of ADC box and indicators. That might be doable independent of autopilot if someone gets the SSEC curve data. Getting rid of AC electrical system, though Avanti also has EL panels that use AC. Not sure whether those could be updated to something that didn’t. Regardless it would probably mean one could ditch at least one inverter and some switching/wiring.
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