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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 28 Oct 2020, 08:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: In that AVweb video, “Pitch Buck” is mentioned and can be seen in that video as vertical pitch excursions due to canard incidence, which makes the canard design essentially stall proof since the canard stalls before the main wing. Is this what we are seeing in Peter’s first flight video (pitch excursions)? No. During the pitch buck the airplane is stable in roll. And it descends. PM was able to climb during when this was going on. However, depending on how much weight it up front, the buck can be rather benign. With just me and half fuel, it's not really a buck. More like a level descent after the first drop.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 28 Oct 2020, 11:17 |
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For those with PFDs with the trend vector "meatball", shouldn't it be centered during takeoff roll? If you watch the takeoff roll, the green vector is consistently aligned with the runway, but the nose itself is left of course...just struck me as a bit odd, although it could just be an avionics install issue. Roll and yaw both show fairly correct, so it's a bit interesting given that he also has a right turning tendency. Can watch it at 1:46: https://youtu.be/32l0BGtgTLs?t=106Attachment: Screen Shot 2020-10-28 at 10.16.11 AM.png
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 28 Oct 2020, 13:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: For those with PFDs with the trend vector "meatball", shouldn't it be centered during takeoff roll? If you watch the takeoff roll, the green vector is consistently aligned with the runway, but the nose itself is left of course...just struck me as a bit odd, although it could just be an avionics install issue. Roll and yaw both show fairly correct, so it's a bit interesting given that he also has a right turning tendency. Can watch it at 1:46: https://youtu.be/32l0BGtgTLs?t=106Attachment: Screen Shot 2020-10-28 at 10.16.11 AM.png If the magnetometer is properly calibrated then it should.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 29 Oct 2020, 16:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: If you have an hour to kill this docu-comedy is worth a watch. It's not terribly flattering of the old time CAF, but it is really funny. I think you will find that the "Defender" has a lot in common with the Raptor...
[youtube]https://youtu.be/ZvbQMqd0kEY[/youtube] It's unintentional comedy but it speaks to the professionalism of NFB that they didn't mock the guy, the film just presents the story and lets the viewers draw their own conclusions. The program feels almost like a character study as it does a documentary. Of course he's off-kilter. It's fascinating to listen to him espouse his opinions, mid-1980s, about the F-18 (and then state of the art technology and modern doctrine), all while trying to persuade the listener about what amounts to... low technology swarm tactics/suicide waves. He really had no notion just what an efficient killing machine the F-18 would show itself to be only a few years later (in 1991 and 2003). His warbird restoration accomplishments are respectable in their own right. His Defender is just so... strange. 
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Oct 2020, 11:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: His warbird restoration accomplishments are respectable in their own right. His Defender is just so... strange.  That CAF Zero got a complete inspection years ago and it was decided that it was unairworthy, and really not a candidate for restoration. Through the generosity of a donor, we were able to work a 3-way trade for an airworthy Zero, and the old CAF Zero is now in the Pacific Museum in Hawaii. I won't go into the details, but let the movie speak for its self.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Oct 2020, 16:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: His warbird restoration accomplishments are respectable in their own right. His Defender is just so... strange.  That CAF Zero got a complete inspection years ago and it was decided that it was unairworthy, and really not a candidate for restoration. Through the generosity of a donor, we were able to work a 3-way trade for an airworthy Zero, and the old CAF Zero is now in the Pacific Museum in Hawaii. I won't go into the details, but let the movie speak for its self. I stand corrected- thanks.
(His Hurricane restoration and the Battle of Britain movie seemed worthy; I didn't grasp what really happened with the CAF Zero.)
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Oct 2020, 19:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: It's unintentional comedy but it speaks to the professionalism of NFB that they didn't mock the guy, the film just presents the story and lets the viewers draw their own conclusions. The program feels almost like a character study as it does a documentary. It is hard to believe that is not satire. I got a chuckle over the mention of his "calibrated instruments" for measuring lift. And his sidekick is almost too goofy to believe. What happened? "I got hit by wind shear!" Reminds me of the suggestion that the Raptor's pitch instability was "thermals".
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Oct 2020, 20:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: It's unintentional comedy but it speaks to the professionalism of NFB that they didn't mock the guy, the film just presents the story and lets the viewers draw their own conclusions. The program feels almost like a character study as it does a documentary. It is hard to believe that is not satire. NFB has done some very dry humor, uproariously funny, belly-laugh-until-you're-sore kind of material before- but not usually an hour long like this one. I'm sure they had a lot of laughs while putting this one together, but the final production doesn't have that feel to it. They've put out a wide variety of genres over the years, usually really high quality stuff, and satire (or even mockumentary) is well within that.
I just thought this one felt straight faced, even though it's hard to believe some of the reality of it.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 10:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Rube Goldberg cooling contraption. 
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 11:25 |
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While I admire this guy's tenacity, and his willingness to put everything, the good, the bad, and the ugly out on video for all the would to see, this baffles me.
Instead of trying to solve the cooling issues, this much effort to just buy more time before the engine overheats? The engine will overheat. He just wants a few more seconds before he needs to reduce power?
My knowledge of thermodynamics is lacking. How does painting a tank in an enclosed area black help it radiate heat?
Between the tanks, plumbing, and additional coolant, how much weight has been added?
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 12:38 |
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I get his train of thought about thermal inertia, even though it's flawed. Thermal inertia is what keeps CHTs reasonable during the takeoff roll on most every air cooled piston airplane... the difference in thermal inertia is about an order of magnitude though. Back of the napkin math will tell you all this- horsepower waste heat, seconds, BTUs, mass of water (or cylinder barrel+head aluminum). I'm a little surprised he hasn't thought to add a spray bar in front of the heat exchangers to give them a shot of water mist (evaporative cooling!). This wouldn't work any better, but then again it was flying through the rain that kept Louis Blériot out of the English Channel 111 years ago, so why not give that a try... 
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