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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die  Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 13:34 |
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Oh, I imagine they will do another gofundme to cover moving it. He needs somewhere with 12000 ft runway.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 15:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: How difficult would it be to remove the wings and transport the plane to a larger airport?
is that a week long process or day long?
Mike I can't say for certain about the raptor, but my plane can be on a trailer in about 4 hours. Now that's a trailer that has brackets that tilt the plane so it doesn't require any wide load placards or permits.
Slick trailer setup, Don
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 15:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: I thought the issue was that the runway is too short for a takeoff and landing without flying a pattern so you can abort shortly after becoming airborne. None of us know exactly why the test pilots declined to fly. But I don't think not being able to do a runway hop is the primary reason. I'm guessing the reason is that there's simply no suitable off-airport landing area.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 15:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Slick trailer setup, Don It really is. This belongs to the guy who transports planes for Velocity. Before he built this, it took a bit longer to get the plane on the trailer.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 17:56 |
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Well, he plans to move to an airport with at least 8,000 ft.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 18:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well, he plans to move to an airport with at least 8,000 ft. Pretty solid plan. He got a lot of valuable testing out of his home drone while having the convenience of his own hangar there. I do hope he comes up with some better, permanent solutions for the uhhhhmmm I'm gonna call them "quick fixes" that have caused a lot of the contention on this thread.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 23:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm guessing the reason is that there's simply no suitable off-airport landing area. If you remain within gliding distance of the departure airport, why would you need to make an off airport landing?
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 23:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm guessing the reason is that there's simply no suitable off-airport landing area. If you remain within gliding distance of the departure airport, why would you need to make an off airport landing?
Would assume it’s for the case where there is not enough altitude to return to the airport. You want clear spaces at end of runway...
Best,
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 31 Jul 2020, 01:04 |
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I would spend the money to bring it to a dry lake.
Cheaper than 6 months in a hospital...
Giant dry lake, lots of room to make subtle turns in ground effect to debug the small things.
Then when all is good, start climbing. But if things go wrong, land anywhere
In a normal airport, once you are in ground effect, you are committed, no turning back. Even in a 8' feet runway, you will be eating that distance really fast, no time to make some assessments about the worthiness of this beast.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 31 Jul 2020, 07:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm guessing the reason is that there's simply no suitable off-airport landing area. If you remain within gliding distance of the departure airport, why would you need to make an off airport landing?
Fire. Structural failure. Control failure.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 31 Jul 2020, 09:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: If you remain within gliding distance of the departure airport Therein lies the rub. In a heavy, underpowered airplane with a very high wing loading and corresponding high liftoff speed, you need a REALLY long runway in order to stay within gliding distance during takeoff and climb. Suitable off airport landing zones off the departure end are a darn good idea for the first few flights at a minimum.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 31 Jul 2020, 10:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: If you remain within gliding distance of the departure airport Therein lies the rub. In a heavy, underpowered airplane with a very high wing loading and corresponding high liftoff speed, you need a REALLY long runway in order to stay within gliding distance during takeoff and climb.
This^
The taxi tests have shown the take-off ground run is twice as long as expected.
5000 feet should have been adequate, but Peter has been taking all 5000 feet to just accelerate/stop.
There is no margin.
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