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Neat to see this making it to market.

http://youtu.be/jmKXJr3HJsQ


125-250 nm sweet spot.

I think there are reduced security requirements for this size aircraft. I wonder how it might work out as a feeder to a regular commercial airport? I would assume it would require a way for pax to deplane direct to outside thevsterile area and be (re)screened?

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This is the plane that Cape Air is using to replace its aging fleet of Cessna 402s.
They will use it for feeder airports/routes. Believe that they may have already taken delivery of one. Currently when going from feeder airports like Lebanon to Boston, you do have to go through security at originating airport. Cape Air Terminal at BOS is part of one of the main terminals.


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Cape Air had a rollout event on October 16th to announce the first P2012 deliveries. The video is available here. The program starts around 11:40 in the video.


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Neat to see this making it to market.

http://youtu.be/jmKXJr3HJsQ


125-250 nm sweet spot.

I think there are reduced security requirements for this size aircraft. I wonder how it might work out as a feeder to a regular commercial airport? I would assume it would require a way for pax to deplane direct to outside thevsterile area and be (re)screened?



Agreed.

Not sure what the specs are--but it's nice to see a new twin piston being produced.


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I could never say a fix gear twin burning avgas is awesome.

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I could never say a fix gear twin burning avgas is awesome.


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I suppose Lycoming have an explanation how it is miraculously able to run 75% power and LOP. Maybe their computers are smart enough unlike humans? :lol:

I hope they sell a few around the globe. It looks to be a good thing.

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There is no way its cheaper to run a twin piston with all its engine/cylinders issues and lower TBO than a SE turbine that could get easily a 5000 hrs tbo.
Jetfuel is way cheaper also.

The only reason I can see is they are hoping to get the EPS diesel engine certified on this a/c by the time they are ready for overhaul on these engines.




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There is no way its cheaper to run a twin piston with all its engine/cylinders issues and lower TBO than a SE turbine that could get easily a 5000 hrs tbo.
Jetfuel is way cheaper also.

The only reason I can see is they are hoping to get the EPS diesel engine certified on this a/c by the time they are ready for overhaul on these engines.


Well for some reason Cape Air wanted it this way instead of converting to Pilatus. I would suspect they figured out how to do it cheaper.


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I have heard that turbines don't do well with short cycle times. Many of their trips are real short like 25 minutes.

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I have heard that turbines don't do well with short cycle times. Many of their trips are real short like 25 minutes.
Plus there's the capital cost to consider. The CapeAir website says they have 88 Cessna 402s. I'm guessing a new Pilatus as compared to the P2012 would require 50% more capital. A few million here, a few million there -- pretty soon you're talking real money. :)


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Were not talking PC12 here but Caravan EX which are not more money than this Tecnam twin piston.

When I had the Baron it was constant maintenance for these piston engines, a PT6 I can go 300 hrs without touching anything.




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I have heard that turbines don't do well with short cycle times. Many of their trips are real short like 25 minutes.
Plus there's the capital cost to consider. The CapeAir website says they have 88 Cessna 402s. I'm guessing a new Pilatus as compared to the P2012 would require 50% more capital. A few million here, a few million there -- pretty soon you're talking real money. :)

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Plus there's the capital cost to consider. The CapeAir website says they have 88 Cessna 402s. I'm guessing a new Pilatus as compared to the P2012 would require 50% more capital. A few million here, a few million there -- pretty soon you're talking real money. :)


Would bet pretty heavily that Cape Air is paying considerably less per copy for the Tecnam that they would for a Caravan.

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Don’t think the airline will fly paying pax in single engine anything.

Tecnam/Lycoming built a fine aircraft looks like.


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