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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2019, 08:54 
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I highly doubt Cirrus sold 50 new positions in the last year for the SF-50.

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How many MU2s did sell Mitsubishi sell last year?


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild
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If multiple aircraft fit your mission, then the difference comes down to other factors and cabin comfort is high on the list for many people.

That’s one of the reasons why we quickly dismissed the Cessna 210 when we were shopping for a 6 seat piston single 30 years ago.

Other folks would *really* like to have that emergency parachute.

Others would really like to have that jet engine (meaning no propeller).
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I haven’t seen or read anything yet to indicate that the interest in the Vision Jet is waning.

And Cirrus is already upgrading it....

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild
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PC24's are already being upgraded
Phenoms are already being upgraded
HondaJet is already being upgraded

They all make constant upgrades. My PC12 is not remotely the same plane it was when it came off the assembly line 10 years ago. The manufacturers learn more about the product they built and upgrades can come quickly.

I need 1500NM and a lav otherwise I'd buy an SF50. It checks lots of boxes.


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild
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And Cirrus is already upgrading it....

Easy to do, lots of deficiencies to be fixed and superficial improvements to be had.

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According to the Cirrus rep at the AOPA Fly-In today, Cirrus has delivered 120 aircraft and has orders for 540 more.

It was my first time looking inside the cabin. It’s wide and modern looking, but I wasn’t overly impressed. I prefer club seating. The TBM on display also had all forward facing seats also. I asked my 12 year old son if we should upgrade to the TBM. He said “Upgrade? You can’t even talk to each other!” Apparently he prefers club seating too.


The middle seats on the TBM (at least the 9XX series) can be installed facing forward or aft. 850 and earlier all faced aft.


I know. It was more a comment about our preference for club seating not airframe. Like father like son.

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As shiny as it is it would be staying in the hangar on the worst days, in my typical high, hot, short, long, contaminated field mission.


It’s not just the worst days. For me it is all summer. On my regular commute home from KTRK Wednesday afternoon, the winds picked up and were 200/15G22 and temp 27*. So, tower was using the shorter 4,652’ long RWY20. In the SF50 I would have been grounded. Instead I was probably 200’agl as I crossed the departure end in my Meridian.


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Funny that planes used to be judged on range, payload, speed, and now the trend is the cabin experience. :scratch: Maybe it is a real thing.


Definitely a real thing. Watching the Piper sales guys try to show people how to enter the cabin of the m600 was amusing. Their trick is basically get in, hunch over facing backwards, shuffle yourself to the front of the plane along the narrow isle with the seats pushed flat, kick your leg over, slide down pull your other leg over. One guys foot caught on the edge of the bottom of the copilot seat and ripped the plastic shroud up off the seat...

With loaded passengers this would be quite a feat, and once I entered with the seat slid all the way back and reclined slightly, my head was still flush to the roof with no headset on. Contrast to the Cirrus, which is like climbing into a space pod and easily sitting anywhere, with tons of headroom and light spacious feeling. The comparison is like getting into a model X Tesla vs the Dukes of Hazard car that has the doors welded shut.

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As shiny as it is it would be staying in the hangar on the worst days, in my typical high, hot, short, long, contaminated field mission.


It’s not just the worst days. For me it is all summer. On my regular commute home from KTRK Wednesday afternoon, the winds picked up and were 200/15G22 and temp 27*. So, tower was using the shorter 4,652’ long RWY20. In the SF50 I would have been grounded. Instead I was probably 200’agl as I crossed the departure end in my Meridian.


How about Granby. Beautiful place. The airport is walking distance to the town, or you can have a rental car delivered to the airport. Beautiful area. Not getting out of there in an SF50, especially on a warm day. One of the most scenic places to visit in the Rockies. On a warm day seems like a short runway even in a Meridian ;-) Especially if winds are from the East.

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It’s not just the worst days. For me it is all summer. On my regular commute home from KTRK Wednesday afternoon, the winds picked up and were 200/15G22 and temp 27*. So, tower was using the shorter 4,652’ long RWY20. In the SF50 I would have been grounded. Instead I was probably 200’agl as I crossed the departure end in my Meridian.


So request one of the other runways.

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It’s not just the worst days. For me it is all summer. On my regular commute home from KTRK Wednesday afternoon, the winds picked up and were 200/15G22 and temp 27*. So, tower was using the shorter 4,652’ long RWY20. In the SF50 I would have been grounded. Instead I was probably 200’agl as I crossed the departure end in my Meridian.


So request one of the other runways.


Damn it, I knew someone was going to suggest that. :bat: :D Yes, but would have been a 20 minute delay while waiting for a break in the traffic to accommodate such. Plus another 5kts of wind and I probably wouldn’t have felt comfortable with the crosswind component.

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I highly doubt Cirrus sold 50 new positions in the last year for the SF-50.

Mike C.


Well Mike, you are consistent. Wasn't too long ago you said they wouldn't sell 5. I bet you are wrong this time too.


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Yes, we all tend to like the plane we have, and it's easy to rationalize and justify just about any of them.

I think the 310 is the perfect plane.

I'd like an SF50 too!

And, sometimes I wish I still had my RV-6..

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Yes, we all tend to like the plane we have, and it's easy to rationalize and justify just about any of them.

I think the 310 is the perfect plane.

I'd like an SF50 too!

And, sometimes I wish I still had my RV-6..


I hope we all like the plane that we have. Otherwise we would be looking for another plane... Right :D All planes are cool. we are very fortunate. Was watching a beat up flight school PA28 flying over my place of work a few days ago. Though how cool. Would definitely rather be up there in that rattle trap than on the ground. :peace:

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Funny that planes used to be judged on range, payload, speed, and now the trend is the cabin experience. :scratch: Maybe it is a real thing. I guess utility and efficiency are a thing of the past. The SF50 just will not do what I want a plane to do. As shiny as it is it would be staying in the hangar on the worst days, in my typical high, hot, short, long, contaminated field missions.



I can tell you that for me, the PA46 is a complete non-starter. I spent a couple of hours in the front seat and I still have the crease on my knees where they were jammed tight against the panel the entire time. I had the opportunity to join in on a nice Meridian, but there was no way I was going to be comfortable flying it. I could probably justify the acrobatics getting into the front seat, if it were comfortable once I got there. Honestly, Southwest is more comfortable.

On the other hand, the SF50, was very comfortable to board and to fly from the left seat. I could be happy in that all day.

So yes, cabin comfort is a thing. Unless one is flying to defend the nation, set a record or perfect aerobatics. I ain't doing none of those things.

Same deal on the Citation M2, though I wasn't seriously in the market for that. Getting into the cockpit was cumbersome and the seating was incredibly uncomfortable for me. Easier than the PA46, but no way I'd ever buy into that airplane, unless the crew seats were considerably altered. The back seats were pretty nice though.

I'd like to give the TBM-9x0 a try sometime. Never been in one. But it looks relatively comfortable and there's a pilot door.


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