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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 26 Mar 2018, 19:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: I had a very relevant analogy. Carving a turn is like flying a coordinated turn. Skidding your turns is basically like flying a turn uncoordinated. Turn on your yaw damper and carve your turns.  Does that technique work when the yaw damper is frozen and your on a direct-to for the tallest pine tree in your path? 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 26 Mar 2018, 19:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: I had a very relevant analogy. Carving a turn is like flying a coordinated turn. Skidding your turns is basically like flying a turn uncoordinated. Turn on your yaw damper and carve your turns.  Does that technique work when the yaw damper is frozen and your on a direct-to for the tallest pine tree in your path? 
Pull the chute
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 26 Mar 2018, 19:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: And I also know you were just about at that level of expertise back when we ate pizza and finished all the water!  Where have you been? Have not seen you in a while either.
I'm busy doing what you told me not to do! And bustin my back while I'm at it.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 26 Mar 2018, 19:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: I had a very relevant analogy. Carving a turn is like flying a coordinated turn. Skidding your turns is basically like flying a turn uncoordinated. Turn on your yaw damper and carve your turns.  Pull the chute[/quote] I make out allright in the blues, but it seems that at least once per ski trip I end up with nothing but blacks all around me and at that point it is all damge control, a chute would be welcome. Telliride was OK but Vail was a real  mess. Way more places to end up in the wrong place.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 26 Mar 2018, 21:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: PS Mark and Mike, you guys SUCK! I'm sitting here trying to get my tax crap ready to hand off and you two are making turns at T-Ride. Mike, I'm gonna get some good kiting in soon as I get this tax stuff finished, so there! Edit: missed the green font  We're thinking Hatteras in the summer. The wind has been honking in Pompano and it's been pretty good. The main issue is the swell.........hitting the bumps at speed ain't for week knees.
We’re looking at getting a house in the Avon or Buxton area for a week late April/early May. Fly in to Manteo. Love it then when it’s quiet. We’ll sail both sides depending on swell.
Coming from Connecticut it’s usually a nice windy and warmish time — coming from Florida might feel a little different
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 27 Mar 2018, 13:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: I had a very relevant analogy. Carving a turn is like flying a coordinated turn. Skidding your turns is basically like flying a turn uncoordinated. Turn on your yaw damper and carve your turns.  Doesn't seem to apply to moguls. We kinna top them and skid down the side to control speed and set new direction, but still coordinated---sometimes. I'm so light, straight down groomed slopes gets me passed by many with more, um, momentum.
_________________ Dave Siciliano, ATP
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 27 Mar 2018, 19:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: I had a very relevant analogy. Carving a turn is like flying a coordinated turn. Skidding your turns is basically like flying a turn uncoordinated. Turn on your yaw damper and carve your turns.  Doesn't seem to apply to moguls. We kinna top them and skid down the side to control speed and set new direction, but still coordinated---sometimes. I'm so light, straight down groomed slopes gets me passed by many with more, um, momentum.
I was skidding like a bad rigged taildragger......
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 01 Apr 2018, 16:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: OK i can make my announcement! I am the newest type rated C550 pilot in the USA or at least on Beechtalk! I am no match for MH but i am happy and proud of my new rating. I hope and pray there is a Citation version of Tom Clements. I need all the help i can get! New rating Sunday March 18 at 1500 hours. Pick up the new ride on Thursday March 22 if everything goes well at the shop. Congratulations! (note: green color indicates envy, not sarcasm here)
_________________ -lance
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 05 Apr 2018, 07:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: Hmmmm. This is precisely why stabilized approaches are so important. I have always understood that 1 knot of speed was 100 feet in landing difference. I think you will find the 1kt = 100 ft is about right for a straight wing Citation. The FAA Handbook discusses swept wing jets and I believe uses the B737 for its data and the ATP written. You used to be able to choose if you wanted to take the 121 version of the ATP written which had 737 performance questions or the 135 version which had B1900 performance questions.
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