BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Dec 2017, 18:29

Thanks Chuck.

I only add 1/2Q at a time too, but hate the funnel because it's one more drippy dirty thing to have to mess with. So I just use the dipstick approach and add slowly.

Username Protected wrote:

Matt,
I use a long narrow necked funnel for adding to the 66D. The funnel holds the valve open enough that I can add reasonably fast. I usually only had 1/2 qt anyway. Your experience may be different.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Dec 2017, 18:57

Username Protected wrote:

How much oil did they have to add to that motor?

Gary

4 quarts. Capacity is 2.08 gallons.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Dec 2017, 19:00

That's good news. Still need oil pressure, though. Prompt shutdown saved the day (night).

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Dec 2017, 20:07

Username Protected wrote:

I would think it’s better to declare the emergency

My question. Who ever said it was a bad thing to declare an emergency if one existed? :scratch:

I just don't understand all the hesitation I perceive.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Dec 2017, 20:10

Username Protected wrote:

I would think it’s better to declare the emergency

My question. Who ever said it was a bad thing to declare an emergency if one existed? :scratch:

I just don't understand all the hesitation I perceive.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 04:30

Nailed it!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 05:13

Good job Mark.

What was your weight like?

Andrew

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 08:41

Username Protected wrote:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/U3C4mKVFm_U[/youtube]

Unfortunately I turned the camera on after the Master Caution. Audio is only ambient.

I will let you know how much oil it took as soon as I get the final number.

For us mere mortals, non turbine pilots, what’s it really like to land a Citation SE for real, not in a sim? Same speeds? Harder to control speed? Is there any chance for a go-around at all should you be too high, too fast?

Well done!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 08:55

Username Protected wrote:

For us mere mortals, non turbine pilots, what’s it really like to land a Citation SE for real, not in a sim? Same speeds? Harder to control speed? Is there any chance for a go-around at all should you be too high, too fast?

Well done!

You fly a Citation OEI just about the same as all engines operative. Speed the same, flies the same, just need a bit of rudder at times to keep it straight.

SE go-around flies fine. Get the rudder in to maintain heading as power comes up.

Really a non-event. You don’t read about crashes due to OEI turbojet operations, and they happen more often then you think.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 11:23

Username Protected wrote:

For us mere mortals, non turbine pilots, what’s it really like to land a Citation SE for real, not in a sim? Same speeds? Harder to control speed? Is there any chance for a go-around at all should you be too high, too fast?

Well done!

As Allen says...total non event. You don’t even really miss the second engine. Hot, high and heavy maybe more so.

All the things we worry about “coming up” in aviation..Single engine night or IMC...what’s safer twin or SE?...single engine go around in a twin...Vmc roll..etc are virtually eliminated. Plus no vibration...quiet...climb above weather...go fast. It’s freeing.

Which brings to mind the concern some pilots have about flying jets SP. Same guys are “a ok” with SP in piston singles or twins. Might be the best example of incoherent logic (is there such a thing?) in all of aviation. Get one ASAP and never look back.

Am I right Jesse J?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 11:26

Wish it wasn’t a quarter-million-plus a year habit!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 11:32

I’m sold...but part of that is the situation I have access to, thanks to you my friend.

Hoping to do Simcom in Feb and keep the hours rolling Captain.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 11:35

Username Protected wrote:

Which brings to mind the concern some pilots have about flying jets SP. Same guys are “a ok” with SP in piston singles or twins. Might be the best example of incoherent logic (is there such a thing?) in all of aviation. Get one ASAP and never look back.

Am I right Jesse J?

Flying in a turbojet gives a pilot more decisions to make and possibly screw up.

Avweb reports the CJ2 pilot who ran off the runway this week tried to go around when he realized he landed wrong. https://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/101/3889-full.html?ET=avweb:e3889:223081a:&st=email#230111

Bad decision. He should have just stood on the brakes and may have just ended up cleaning mud off the wheels.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 11:43

Username Protected wrote:

Flying in a turbojet gives a pilot more decisions to make and possibly screw up.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 11:48

Given how these things fly so well on a single engine...if you were low fuel and had few alternatives (forget the legalities for a second) how much extra fuel / distance could you buy yourself shutting one down? Half the fuel consumption? What % of speed loss? If less than half...

Flying the Citation II