banner
banner

12 Jan 2026, 11:23 [ UTC - 5; DST ]


Greenwich AeroGroup (banner)



Reply to topic  [ 4188 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92 ... 280  Next
Username Protected Message
 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 19:30 
Offline


 Profile




Joined: 10/13/15
Posts: 35
Post Likes: +24
Aircraft: PA46-500TP
"Turn that on, turn that on, turn that on" as he's flipping switches? She definitely seems to go into panic mode after that, though.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 19:42 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 05/29/13
Posts: 14719
Post Likes: +12498
Company: Easy Ice, LLC
Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
Aircraft: C510,C185,C310,R66
Username Protected wrote:
"Turn that on, turn that on, turn that on" as he's flipping switches? She definitely seems to go into panic mode after that, though.


I was going through the switches associated with windshield bled air, overhead vent, defrost etc. I did have a w/s overheat annunictor come on for a bit but didn't say anything or point it out.

Funny she melts when we were VMC on top.

_________________
Mark Hangen
Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson)
Power of the Turbine
"Jet Elite"


Last edited on 22 Jan 2017, 22:33, edited 1 time in total.

Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 19:45 
Offline



User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 02/14/09
Posts: 6068
Post Likes: +3329
Company: tomdrew.lawyer
Location: Des Moines, IA (KDSM)
Aircraft: 1973 Baron E55
"Two different realities in the same cockpit." So true.

_________________
C340A/8KCAB/T182T
F33C/E55/B58
PA 28/32
Currency 12 M: IPC/BFR, CFII Renewal


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 19:46 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 05/29/13
Posts: 14719
Post Likes: +12498
Company: Easy Ice, LLC
Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
Aircraft: C510,C185,C310,R66
Username Protected wrote:
Great video.

Alright I have to ask.

Who is the lady?

What is the sound?


I could tell you but then I would have to kill you Ryan :lol: Just a trump fan who didn't have a date to the dance


Please login or Register for a free account via the link in the red bar above to download files.

_________________
Mark Hangen
Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson)
Power of the Turbine
"Jet Elite"


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 19:55 
Online


 Profile




Joined: 02/10/12
Posts: 471
Post Likes: +208
Location: kccr
Aircraft: C23
I figured she would freak when you were IMC it did strike me that you were on top with the horizon insight and she freaked. Good lesson for me when giving people rides. Never had someone get weird.


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 20:09 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 05/29/13
Posts: 14719
Post Likes: +12498
Company: Easy Ice, LLC
Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
Aircraft: C510,C185,C310,R66
Username Protected wrote:
I heard "yaw damp on," not "get your head on." Great videos!


3:54 mark. Mark reaches down to reset something? Transponder? And he says Ah, get your head on, get your head on, get your head on. Three times. And she melts down.


The transponder thing happened right after rotation. At this point I was say "turn that on, turn that on, turn that on". Mystery solved.
_________________
Mark Hangen
Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson)
Power of the Turbine
"Jet Elite"


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 20:46 
Online


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 01/28/13
Posts: 6353
Post Likes: +4459
Location: Indiana
Aircraft: C195, D17S, M20TN
Mark,

Don't remember saying "oh %#$@" when I turned right base in our 182 shortly after PPL with my daughter on board. Turned too soon to base. Haha. On the ground my daughter said she thought we were going to die... :bugeye:
Note to self, oh %#$@, never out loud with pax.. :coffee:

_________________
Chuck
KEVV


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 20:51 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 01/16/11
Posts: 11068
Post Likes: +7099
Location: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Aircraft: PC12NG, G3Tat
Username Protected wrote:
Make better choices on right seaters



:coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

who are you trying to convince here...........

_________________
---Rusty Shoe Keeper---


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 21:04 
Online


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 01/02/08
Posts: 8105
Post Likes: +6212
Company: Rusnak Auto Group
Location: Newport Coast, CA
Aircraft: Baron B55 N7123N
Username Protected wrote:


Watch it unfold. I pretty much ignore her because of the job at hand but she is so close to a total meltdown who knows what she could have done out of instinct. I really think she thought she was about to die. hmmm. How do certain situations affect your passengers? When does it become a problem?


When you mumbled to yourself to get your head on contributed to her meltdown. Messing up the squawk code in the D.C. SFRA will get everyone's attention. I triple check squawk codes when around there.

Cant you use your AP when flying that departure? Even if in HDG mode and VS climbs? Looks to me like you were hand flying the turn and level offs.

AP handling the basic flying leaves more time for other stuff at busy times.

You did the best you could do. Her safety is more important then her feelings. I usually do not invite inexperienced or high strung people into the right seat until in cruise and maybe they stay there for the landing.

You have to be aware that passengers are watching and listening to every move you make. Keep your game face on at all times.


I had a non-pilot in the right seat of my Baron many years ago. Not a dissimilar reaction - it was just way too intense for him to be so "up close and personal" with all the stuff going on in the cockpit. Now whenever I have a non-pilot, male or female, who has not flown with me before in the right front seat I let them know there are only 2 rules on this flight: Have fun and don't touch a f---ing thing!
_________________
STAND UP FOR YOUR COUNTRY

Sven


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2017, 23:42 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 12/03/14
Posts: 21024
Post Likes: +26491
Company: Ciholas, Inc
Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
That is probably one of the more instructive videos you have posted.

My standard briefing to a non pilot passenger who sits in the right seat with me:

"Assume everything that happens is normal. It nearly always is, and even if it is an emergency, you assuming things are normal will help me deal with it. If I tell you to do something, do it without question.

The plane will make various beeps and dings and other noises. These are normal, none of them mean danger. (I don't have a stall horn, only a stick shaker, but even if I had a stall horn, I'd say this.)

During various parts of the flight, mostly takeoff and landing, I will be concentrating and not paying any attention to you. Do not to ask questions during these times.

I will be talking on the radio to air traffic control and they will talk to me. If I raise my hand, stop talking immediately since that means they are trying to talk to me and I need to hear them. What we say to each other is not being broadcast to others, only we can hear that. (Sometimes you have a right seater who doesn't know that and they say nothing the entire flight. If that is desired, omit this statement.)

I may periodically refer to a manual or checklist. This is normal and not an indication I don't remember how to fly the airplane."

When I fly with a non pilot passenger, I do not make any negative comments about my performance, I do not express any disgust at ATC or equipment trouble, I carry on professionally. Non pilot passengers are hyper sensitive to these things because they have no idea what is going on, so they amplify the perceived mental state of the pilot to judge their situation.

Do not brag about how difficult or challenging the situation is or was, or how much of your skill was required. That will just make the non pilot passenger feel like they were at risk at some point in the flight. You may congratulate yourself internally, however, and tell this to a pilot later.

I am also careful with my phrasing.

Wrong: "we are going down".

Right: "we are starting our descent".

I've had a lot of non pilot passengers in my right seat and have yet to have a situation like the one in the video, but I am aware it can happen. A berserk right seater is a scary prospect.

Mike C.

_________________
Email mikec (at) ciholas.com


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2017, 00:29 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 05/29/13
Posts: 14719
Post Likes: +12498
Company: Easy Ice, LLC
Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
Aircraft: C510,C185,C310,R66
Username Protected wrote:
My standard briefing to a non pilot passenger who sits in the right seat with me:

"Assume everything that happens is normal. It nearly always is, and even if it is an emergency, you assuming things are normal will help me deal with it. If I tell you to do something, do it without question.

The plane will make various beeps and dings and other noises. These are normal, none of them mean danger. (I don't have a stall horn, only a stick shaker, but even if I had a stall horn, I'd say this.)

During various parts of the flight, mostly takeoff and landing, I will be concentrating and not paying any attention to you. Do not to ask questions during these times.

I will be talking on the radio to air traffic control and they will talk to me. If I raise my hand, stop talking immediately since that means they are trying to talk to me and I need to hear them. What we say to each other is not being broadcast to others, only we can hear that. (Sometimes you have a right seater who doesn't know that and they say nothing the entire flight. If that is desired, omit this statement.)

I may periodically refer to a manual or checklist. This is normal and not an indication I don't remember how to fly the airplane."

When I fly with a non pilot passenger, I do not make any negative comments about my performance, I do not express any disgust at ATC or equipment trouble, I carry on professionally. Non pilot passengers are hyper sensitive to these things because they have no idea what is going on, so they amplify the perceived mental state of the pilot to judge their situation.

Do not brag about how difficult or challenging the situation is or was, or how much of your skill was required. That will just make the non pilot passenger feel like they were at risk at some point in the flight. You may congratulate yourself internally, however, and tell this to a pilot later.

I am also careful with my phrasing.

Wrong: "we are going down".

Right: "we are starting our descent".

I've had a lot of non pilot passengers in my right seat and have yet to have a situation like the one in the video, but I am aware it can happen. A berserk right seater is a scary prospect.

Mike C.
a reasonable approach. Useful. You don't mind if I make some tweeks? It very serviceable which I will adopt with the caveat that it depends highly on seatmates. In a devious way it could be part of a career interview. Grace under pressure.

To be honest I have never done this in a formal way. Thanks

_________________
Mark Hangen
Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson)
Power of the Turbine
"Jet Elite"


Last edited on 23 Jan 2017, 05:06, edited 2 times in total.

Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2017, 01:08 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 12/03/14
Posts: 21024
Post Likes: +26491
Company: Ciholas, Inc
Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
Username Protected wrote:
You don't mind if I make some tweeks?

You cannot change anything about it. It is perfect. :-)

Of course you can vary the briefing for the individual. I just gave the complete version.

Quote:
To be honest I have ever done this in a formal way I should develop one.

One of the benefits is that it allows you, the pilot, to worry less about your right seater. I find that after I have done the briefing, I can concentrate better on flying because I spend less brain cycles on monitoring the right seater.

Mike C.

_________________
Email mikec (at) ciholas.com


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2017, 02:35 
Offline


User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 09/04/10
Posts: 3545
Post Likes: +3251
Aircraft: C55, PC-12
I remember years ago bringing one of Olivia's friends up to visit in the Bo. It was just her and I, so she sat up front (I think she was maybe 12 or 13). The air was a bit rough and she got sick. That was distracting but what really scared me was she puked up a whole bunch of blood..... It wasn't blood, she ate red frosting cake but it took her a few minutes after puking to be able to tell me it was ok. I had chopped the power, turned around and was thinking through what I'd do next before she was able to tell me. In the end, we both got a good laugh from it but I was pretty scared (for her).

Pretty amazing how distracting a passenger can be. The wrong situation could definitly overwhelm a single pilot.

_________________
John Lockhart
Phoenix, AZ
Ridgway, CO


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2017, 05:16 
Offline


 WWW  Profile




Joined: 05/29/13
Posts: 14719
Post Likes: +12498
Company: Easy Ice, LLC
Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
Aircraft: C510,C185,C310,R66
Username Protected wrote:
That was distracting but what really scared me was she puked up a whole bunch of blood.....


She went all Linda Blair on you. (Exorcist). Priceless.

How long till you got the smell out?

_________________
Mark Hangen
Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson)
Power of the Turbine
"Jet Elite"


Top

 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2017, 05:28 
Offline



User avatar
 Profile




Joined: 12/10/07
Posts: 14719
Post Likes: +4406
Location: St. Pete, FL
Aircraft: BE 58
Good posts and video re non pilot in front.

I could argue to keep the brief to the non pilot separate from the passenger brief.... and do it in stages. They won't remember half of what is said. For take off, I like to start with say NOTHING until I tell you. Tough NOTHING. And assume everything is normal, enjoy the flight.
I'll point out the moving map and tell them they can occasionally look at it for our progress.

After the departure is over and not busy, I'll point out other things. And the approach is similar to the departure brief, but by this time hopefully they have been trained to point out traffic. And the brief on that is just point and say airplane.

However, as a rule, I just don't take a non pilot with in the right seat, unless I know them personally. And, if someone wants me to help them get their GF over the fear of flying, I'll tell them to put her on the bus.

I've had a few experiences that turned out much worse than Marks video.

_________________
Larry


Top

Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic  [ 4188 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92 ... 280  Next



PlaneAC

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  

Terms of Service | Forum FAQ | Contact Us

BeechTalk, LLC is the quintessential Beechcraft Owners & Pilots Group providing a forum for the discussion of technical, practical, and entertaining issues relating to all Beech aircraft. These include the Bonanza (both V-tail and straight-tail models), Baron, Debonair, Duke, Twin Bonanza, King Air, Sierra, Skipper, Sport, Sundowner, Musketeer, Travel Air, Starship, Queen Air, BeechJet, and Premier lines of airplanes, turboprops, and turbojets.

BeechTalk, LLC is not affiliated or endorsed by the Beechcraft Corporation, its subsidiaries, or affiliates. Beechcraft™, King Air™, and Travel Air™ are the registered trademarks of the Beechcraft Corporation.

Copyright© BeechTalk, LLC 2007-2026

.AAI.jpg.
.aviationdesigndouble.jpg.
.planelogix-85x100-2015-04-15.jpg.
.Plane Salon Beechtalk.jpg.
.headsetsetc_Small_85x50.jpg.
.boomerang-85x50-2023-12-17.png.
.BT Ad.png.
.ocraviation-85x50.png.
.KalAir_Black.jpg.
.concorde.jpg.
.mcfarlane-85x50.png.
.kadex-85x50.jpg.
.gallagher_85x50.jpg.
.avnav.jpg.
.LogAirLower85x50.png.
.ElectroairTile.png.
.AeroMach85x100.png.
.MountainAirframe.jpg.
.b-kool-85x50.png.
.bpt-85x50-2019-07-27.jpg.
.rnp.85x50.png.
.pdi-85x50.jpg.
.camguard.jpg.
.jetacq-85x50.jpg.
.v2x.85x100.png.
.shortnnumbers-85x100.png.
.tempest.jpg.
.suttoncreativ85x50.jpg.
.traceaviation-85x150.png.
.daytona.jpg.
.Wentworth_85x100.JPG.
.garmin-85x200-2021-11-22.jpg.
.dbm.jpg.
.temple-85x100-2015-02-23.jpg.
.ABS-85x100.jpg.
.bullardaviation-85x50-2.jpg.
.jandsaviation-85x50.jpg.
.stanmusikame-85x50.jpg.
.blackwell-85x50.png.
.tat-85x100.png.
.SCA.jpg.
.performanceaero-85x50.jpg.
.Latitude.jpg.
.CiESVer2.jpg.
.aerox_85x100.png.
.holymicro-85x50.jpg.
.KingAirMaint85_50.png.
.kingairnation-85x50.png.
.Wingman 85x50.png.
.sierratrax-85x50.png.
.midwest2.jpg.
.wat-85x50.jpg.
.saint-85x50.jpg.
.Aircraft Associates.85x50.png.
.Plane AC Tile.png.
.blackhawk-85x100-2019-09-25.jpg.
.geebee-85x50.jpg.
.puremedical-85x200.jpg.
.airmart-85x150.png.
.Elite-85x50.png.