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 Post subject: Re: Finishing my Lancair ES-TN
PostPosted: 12 Apr 2015, 10:41 
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One outside shot of the new front landing light and painted cowl

Got most of the interior back together, test flew the new panel, only a few minor squawks

Still breaking in the new top end, overcast in atlanta so I'll be grounded for a bit

love all the glass, the G3X Touch has a lot of nice features I've been missing on the G600 that was removed


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 Post subject: Re: Finishing my Lancair ES-TN
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Why did you leave the old engine monitor in?

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Why did you leave the old engine monitor in?


It is fully configured and all sensors installed, engine just received a new top end so why complicate things by switching all the sensors and wiring over? I wanted an apples to apples comparison of everything for what is "normal" on this old top vs this one, plus I have TIT1/2 IAT CDT, etc all setup on the JPI

I love the jpi, can't imagine the Garmin being better, plus puts my eggs in diff basket

I will buy the GEA-24 for the fuel cube portion so I can track range rings and such, also then I could put trim on the screens


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Ok, I understand, but you could have sold the 930 for more than the Garmin install cost and it most definitely is a better system. You probably could have used your probes and wiring that are already installed. The touch screen function of the engine monitor is incredible and the ability to display it on either screen actually makes it more redundant than what you have now. Also, if the unit fails it is much less expensive to replace and the fact that it has no screen to fail makes it more reliable.

I have owned the Xerion Auracle and the JPI. The Garmin system is so much better. You can customize all of you instruments in seconds, display what you want where you want it, etc. Also, instead of looking down in the bottom of your stack for critical engine information you can look at it right in front of your direct view and any parameters that hit limits are displayed on your MFDs.

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I disagree, we had two loose connectors on the fast stack hub and the entire g3x system was unreliable, intermittent failures of everything with the arinc and config modules coming in and out

I'll post a video

Don't fool yourself that multiple screens and boxes creates redundancy and fool proof operation

I've had a software bug on the dynon sky view take out a dual redundant system too

Eitherway, I prefer the JPI, money/cost wasn't an issue


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I disagree, we had two loose connectors on the fast stack hub and the entire g3x system was unreliable, intermittent failures of everything with the arinc and config modules coming in and out

I'll post a video

Don't fool yourself that multiple screens and boxes creates redundancy and fool proof operation

I've had a software bug on the dynon sky view take out a dual redundant system too

Eitherway, I prefer the JPI, money/cost wasn't an issue


I would not have used a fast stack hub. Conventional wiring is more expensive, but is better IMO. I paid a Garmin shop to do my install and they used the same methods they use on multi-million $ jets. Dual screens are redundant for the engine monitor; however, I do agree that the dual screen could have a failure of the system to take out both and that is why I have a GDL-39 3D for backup on it's own battery. If the screens fail I really don't care about the engine monitor. The engine will run just fine while I figure out a place to land. I am more concerned about having an attitude indicator and a way to navigate to an airport. JPI is a good certified product, but it is way behind the Garmin for readability, function, customization, flexibility, and repair service.

Go fly a G3X plane with built-in engine monitor and I will bet that you change your mind.

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Brian and Todd,

Thanks for all the updates on your respective projects! You guys do some inspirational work and make it IMPOSSIBLE to ignore the benefits of the experimental category aircraft.

I admire both of your projects and look forward to updates. :cheers:

Someday when I have the know-how and experience I hope to consider one of these two makes very seriously. It seems you can get some serious bang-for-your-buck through buying/modifying your own home-built (if done safely, of course!).

Brian- what are the performance figures on the ES-TN?


Climbs 1500fpm gross and 2000fpm solo at 130kias

Cruises around 210-220 in the teens with four people!

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Wow Aerostar performance on 1/2 the fuel.
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Go fly a G3X plane with built-in engine monitor and I will bet that you change your mind.


I have, as well as G1000's and G3000's, I'm happy that you enjoy your G3X but I will stick with the JPI- I am still wondering why you need an instrument to tell you that you are descending 4000fpm, I think we fly differently


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got one of the final side pieces back from upholstery, will install it today and then i'll i lack is the stick boots for a finished project


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Nice interior work! Very sharp looking ES for sure. My point on the wiring is that it is more labor intensive, but I personally think it is more professional. I guess it is the comparative difference between sweated copper in a home vs Pex. The pex is easier to install and goes together quicker, but it just does not seem right to me. I have owned some 50 year old homes with original copper that are still like new. Of course, I use the pex on my own stuff :D

Anyway, we definitely fly differently as the two planes are built for a different purpose. The ES is built to travel in comfort with lighter wing loading at higher altitudes. Having the turbo gives you the ability to really take advantage of the wing you have. I can't think of a better combination of single engine airframe and engine for x-country travel.

The Glasair is built like a tank with wing loading at 30+ lb per/ft. VA is 190 knots and VNE is 291. The idea is that you climb to a comfortable altitude as quickly as possible, stay high as long as possible and then descend as quickly as possible to maximize the performance capability of the plane and the time spent in calm air vs bumpy hot air. Coming down at 4k per minute is rather docile since that is approximately 200-240 knots IAS at low cruise power setting from 5-14k. Since yellow arc does not start until nearly 250 knots coming down fast through the bumps with high wing loading is better for the passengers. Less time in the heat and bumps = more pleasant experience if their ears can take it. In my old fighter/trainer I routinely came down at 12k FPM and if the air was calm I would push it to over 20k+ FPM again to maximize the performance of the plane from A to B, save fuel, and stay out of the bumps.

It's all good either way. You like your engine monitor and that is great. I was just asking why since you did such a large transformation. I think we would both agree that experimental aviation definitely has a bright future. :thumbup:

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Beautiful plane, that interior is awesome and I'm sure it will be equally matched by the performance of that engine! :drool:

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When you compare the ES to a Turbo Cirrus the value really becomes evident. The ES also has TKS available. It is faster than the Cirrus, climbs faster, has more useful load, and is 1/2 the cost or less. The only thing the Cirrus has that is really nice is the parachute. The G3X system is the finishing touch that makes it an exceptional single.

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One outside shot of the new front landing light and painted cowl

Got most of the interior back together, test flew the new panel, only a few minor squawks

Still breaking in the new top end, overcast in atlanta so I'll be grounded for a bit

love all the glass, the G3X Touch has a lot of nice features I've been missing on the G600 that was removed


Really nice job on the interior and panel. Beautiful bird.


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thanks for the kind words guys, just missing the stick boots at this point, side panels back in- everything fits like a glove! good planning pays off


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