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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 13:58 |
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77 pages of repetition. BORING!
Bring on the jokes:
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 14:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't know the etiquette about posting first-time in a long thread, I hope some general observations are OK.
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...........Have a good Xmas all,
Vasa Vasa, That post was practically genius! Thanks for posting such a reasoned response.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 14:59 |
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http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/n ... hotos.htmlLatest press release,,,,,, on target 2015. Interesting. After these fly can we start a Piper Jet thread, Good for 80 pages 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 16:49 |
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At least the Altaire was a nice looking jet. Username Protected wrote: http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2014/12/23/cirrus-c2-vision-sf50-personal-jet-photos.html Latest press release,,,,,, on target 2015. Interesting. After these fly can we start a Piper Jet thread, Good for 80 pages
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 24 Dec 2014, 18:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2014/12/23/cirrus-c2-vision-sf50-personal-jet-photos.html Latest press release,,,,,, on target 2015. Interesting. After these fly can we start a Piper Jet thread, Good for 80 pages The PiperJet was very good looking, nice inside, but the company just didn't have the financing to get it done.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 01:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: There's a characterisation of Cirrus buyers and potential SF buyers in parts of this thread which I think is somewhat false: the idea they are kind-of moronic, with more money than sense, choosing airplanes on false grounds of safety (the chute) or "coolness : ease to fly ratio". A sensible person can be affect by the chute. Indeed, sensible people in this thread said they are. That doesn't make them morons, yet they could have accidents due to that they would not otherwise have without a chute. Quote: I have a feeling that the compromises built into the SF50 (lower speeds, lower max altitude, single jet) will make it a more accessible airplane for a certain cadre of pilots. A type rating is a type rating. The pilots will have to perform to standard. Single or twin, FL280 or FL410, 300 or 400 knots, really doesn't make that much difference. Quote: That doesn't sound like a long list, but my feeling is that it only takes a few elements to push a turbine type from the right to the wrong side of comfortable for the target market of buyers. I think some of the posts in this thread under estimate that. Piston single buyers are "comfortable" with the concept of a low speed single engine jet. Their comfort comes from translating their piston experience onto the jet. I predict their piston experience will not, however, translate buyers into happy owners. They gave up something so valuable (performance, speed, altitude, low cost) to gain a mirage of simplicity that does not exist. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 06:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Piston single buyers are "comfortable" with the concept of a low speed single engine jet. Their comfort comes from translating their piston experience onto the jet.
I predict their piston experience will not, however, translate buyers into happy owners. They gave up something so valuable (performance, speed, altitude, low cost) to gain a mirage of simplicity that does not exist. Not "Happy owners"? You've got to be kidding! Most, I hope, will never stop grinning. These are guys paying $900k today to buy a small fixed gear single. They clamber over the wing to get in. They rattle and shake and the $1000 headset is barely able to contain the noise. They stick nasty cannulas in their noses above 12.5. They have to worry about oil analysis and crankshafts and LOP and all that Single Piston stuff. I personally think the typical buyer will be well informed about the downsides of the SF50 and love it all the same! I, like some others here, am a fan of the "classic" turboprops. I happen to fly a C90, but the Merlin, 441, Cheyenne 400 and MU2 are great aircraft I'd love to own. But we are in a tiny minority in terms of the time and effort we are willing to put into flying and operating old complex aircraft. People want new and simple. It's probably a smart choice - I could spend more time with my family and my business if wasn't a bit obsessive about flying the most complicated old airplane I can afford...
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 12:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: OMG!!! A newbie enters the fray! And with common sense reasoning!This boredom may go on another 20 pages!  I can see it now: 100010010001001000001000010010101010101000100100101010...to infinity Vasa is on a roll. Just a few posts in and all well reasoned and stated. And only twenty pages? come on, lets see if we can make it to triple digit page counts. Only threads I have seen do that are the old political threads (which are now band) and the joke thread. Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 12:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't know the etiquette about posting first-time in a long thread, I hope some general observations are OK. Welcome! No etiquette here. You can invade any thread with any opinion. As long as it's not stupid, you'll usually get some likes and decent responses.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 12:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: I asked Cirrus about getting a ride.
They said the only way was to be a test pilot employed by Cirrus, or to take delivery when they start shipping.
They seem to indicate that no one from the aviation press has flown in an SF50, either.
This tells me no one outside Cirrus actually know how the plane flies or handles. All the depositors bought on sitting in the mock up.
No one knows how an SF50 flies outside Cirrus. There are enough "new" things about it (single engine, canted thrust line, short coupled tail, large forward area, huge tail surfaces, ventral fins) that there may be some surprises in there.
With a lack of information on flying qualities, everyone is free to imagine what they want. The question is if the plane matches your expectations or not. By now someone at Cirrus is already watching this thread and you're probably WAY down the list of people they want to demo it to 
Another way to look at that would be; if you convert your biggest critic you are gonna sell A LOT of planes.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 13:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: Very hot here guys , before you write another 75 pages please make little meditation  Ha! Looks like a job only a twin driver could handle!  
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 25 Dec 2014, 18:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Both? AirVenture..
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