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 Post subject: Re: High Altitude Emergency Descent (practice) in an Aerosta
PostPosted: 12 Jan 2014, 11:16 
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Hi Tom and thanks for your comments. Right you are regarding "pre-cooling" the engines before closing the throttles. For practice no need to risk harming the engines so did several descents limiting the throttle to 20" (which held cabin pressure as well, a procedure I would use if a passenger felt ill and depressurizing the plane would exacerbate their condition), then for a "closed throttle" descent, cruised for a while at 25"/2000 to stabilize temps...then gradually reduced to 20" and let temps stabilize...then 18" and so on before closing the throttles.

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 Post subject: Re: High Altitude Emergency Descent (practice) in an Aerosta
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Straight from the 601P operating handbook:

Economy cruise 10000ft:

2200rpm, 188ktas, 11.3gph/side
2300rpm, 181ktas, 11.0gph/side
2400rpm, 185ktas, 11.7gph/side

Mind you, these numbers are all ROP. The 700/702P/Superstars can't match with their highly boosted, low compression engines and the fuel flows will be higher. The 601P is the economy star of the Aerostar fleet - it will go further on less (mpg) than pretty much any twin out there except for the TwinStar Diesel or the Tecnam P2006T.

Those number look very similar to Baron specs when running LOP so it looks like the Baron is slightly less efficient ROP even at NA altitudes.

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 Post subject: Re: High Altitude Emergency Descent (practice) in an Aerosta
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Tom C.

My method is close to Tom B. After climb, cruise for about five minutes to let temps stabilize. The about two-three minutes at each step down:
-- then medium power (25MP 2300RPM)
-- then long range power (24MP 2000RPM)
-- then low power (20MP 2000RPM)
-- Finally almost idle (16MP 2000RPM) fast descent to get speed back up, I normally plan to descend about 2000ft at 1000FPM.

Then level, count to ten or so to and start the sim. Power to idle and nose over if high speed. If low speed descent, power to idle, nose up to shed speed (about 5 degrees), speed brakes out, flaps out, gear when below 150 (almost immediate) and then nose over.

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 Post subject: Re: High Altitude Emergency Descent (practice) in an Aerosta
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Straight from the 601P operating handbook:

Economy cruise 10000ft:

2200rpm, 188ktas, 11.3gph/side
2300rpm, 181ktas, 11.0gph/side
2400rpm, 185ktas, 11.7gph/side

Mind you, these numbers are all ROP. The 700/702P/Superstars can't match with their highly boosted, low compression engines and the fuel flows will be higher. The 601P is the economy star of the Aerostar fleet - it will go further on less (mpg) than pretty much any twin out there except for the TwinStar Diesel or the Tecnam P2006T.

Those number look very similar to Baron specs when running LOP so it looks like the Baron is slightly less efficient ROP even at NA altitudes.


Especially, if you want to base it on cabin altitudes :D

Tim

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