Not true Jason. There's lots of weather in JUST the US that is non convective extending into the 30's.

That doesn't even speak of the convective stuff capping in the 30's and other interesting phenomena around the world.

It's more valid to say that MOST weather will be below 25k. . maybe. I don't have any data supporting that, just personal observation.

In my 2000 hours, "stay away from the red" has never failed me. I've also delayed maybe 1 flight in that time.

My only point in this is........ I would not let 41K influence my buying decision. I don't need to "top" weather as it's never been an issue for me. If I go jet it will be a 45K jet so I can top the jet stream. But again "topping weather" is very low on my list. I topped most weather in my TN Bonanza. It was never an issue.

This -might- be the first time I've disagreed with Crandall on BT (and that's saying something!), but just this weekend I took 2 flights on a Lear 31A at 42,000ft that put us above storm systems...but not by more than 10-15,000ft.

I remember thinking to myself as we were climbing out that not even a King Air would have been able to go above this stuff--it was broad and well into the 23-30k range it seemed.

Routing was BNA-AUS and AUS-BNA if anyone has the ability to go back and look at the weather...

That being said, I'd be completely happy with an SF50 and think it will be an awesome game-changer, especially if operating costs come in under $400/hr

This is a thread about the Cirrus jet.

Why don't you boys take your little spitting contest somewhere else...?

So anyway, if it was a larger Meeting with more influential "friends" which watch should I wear? Of course I will bring the Lear...

This debate is a lot like the "boots vs. hot wings" debate......

In my 2000 hours of flying since 2007 I've needed ice protection ZERO times.

Completely agree with you there. "hours spent not being able to climb over weather in an SF50 when you could be cruising over in an Eclipse" are going to be minimal.

I do think you'd look good in an F18 though...ask Matt if they have a compartment for snow skis like the SF50 does

That's quite a few hours, all of which cross country, for you to never have picked up ice. Good on ya for not having to deal with it! I just picked up a trace climbing out of Portland last week. UGGH.

That's quite a few hours, all of which cross country, for you to never have picked up ice. Good on ya for not having to deal with it! I just picked up a trace climbing out of Portland last week. UGGH.

Don't jinx yourself, man.

Well Jason you fly mostly in the south east were there is less weather. Flying in the north east is different. I got in icing just last week on 2 legs with enough ice to run the boots and it lasted 15-20 min from 8000-FL200. I landed right at min, almost went missed.

Im with Ted on that one, if I was buying a jet I want FL410 and 2 engines.
Ive been in weather at FL280 that I would have avoid at FL360 probably.
Im in vmc about 90% of the time at FL280 but there is always that 10 %.

Jason,

I think you should put up a deposit. It's only 100AMU's and you can sell your position later for a profit when the price is $3 million and your production slot is 3 years away.

Or better yet there's a guy advertising production position #6 for sale over on COPA. He hasn't stated his price but he's locked in at $1.39 million so there's a bargain in there somewhere for someone...

Hopefully by the time they build yours they'll be putting decent seats in and upgrade the carpet from that indoor/outdoor crap.

BS

Flew the Lear 28's at FL510 and didn't see much up there. Once you get above the tropapause-height the lapse rate goes away and so does the lifting action.

John,

That is just showing off.

Tim