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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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That trim wheel reminds me of a slot machine


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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That trim wheel reminds me of a slot machine



Get yer uhhh tie stuck in there and see if it reminds you of a mid evil
Torture device!

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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It's not the tie that gets it. It's the knee.
Those recesses in the wheel allow quite a whack if your knee's up against it.

Geared like that to allow for manual trim. Big knob pops out...crank away!

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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The crazy thing is there is no trim wheel on the ERJ. Come to think of it there wasn’t one on the CRJ either.

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Yep, I APDed on the E145 for a while.
Don't think I ever saw a crew catch a trim runaway before it was a two man job to fly it.

737 runaway... simple checklist...

yoke HOLD TIGHT
autopilot OFF
trim disconnect OFF
trim wheel HOLD
FO's knee PULL INTO TRIM WHEEL TILL STATIONARY:D

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Yep, I APDed on the E145 for a while.
Don't think I ever saw a crew catch a trim runaway before it was a two man job to fly it.

737 runaway... simple checklist...

yoke HOLD TIGHT
autopilot OFF
trim disconnect OFF
trim wheel HOLD
FO's knee PULL INTO TRIM WHEEL TILL STATIONARY:D

Les


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Yep, I APDed on the E145 for a while.
Don't think I ever saw a crew catch a trim runaway before it was a two man job to fly it.



Yea. I had one in the sim once when I was just a pup. pfff... I think I should have just let the damn thing crash, I was sore for a week. Roll inverted and pull.

But the instructor was trying to teach a lesson about guarding the yoke and he did that in spades...


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Doing CJ2 type rating with John L at Loft in San Diego. He is a recurrent student so we don’t share classes. But we rented a beach house and brought the mountain bikes and been having a pretty good time. The idea came up that we should coordinate with other BTers who are doing Citation ratings. Be cool to take over a training center for a week with a bunch of guys you know. Rent a couple beach houses.

We could do some stuff to mix the training up too. Loft added an upset training course with an L39. It’s two day class. Maybe they do a custom deal for a day.

Maybe it would be a catalyst to get some guys off the sidelines and into the fray too. Misery loves company.


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I’m sitting out here with an Ocean view and instead of looking up I’m reading stuff on BT

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Good view.



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Yeah that’s a great idea.

I just caught up with Alex G at SAT and did our recurrent together. How cool is BT getting to do stuff like that.

Keep me in the loop

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Maybe it would be a catalyst to get some guys off the sidelines and into the fray too. Misery loves company.


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Time permitting (ha!), I'd love to - Been looking for an excuse to get a jet type rating.

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Every new airline pilot I’ve talked to. When asked what did they think about the 737 when they jump seated. Everyone says, “that trim wheel is nuts!”



I used to rest the side of my knee against the trim wheel on the 747 which would instantly pick up a run away trim, but mostly because it was comfortable. :D


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I used to rest the side of my knee against the trim wheel on the 747 which would instantly pick up a run away trim, but mostly because it was comfortable. :D

That is my "trim in motion sensor" for me, knee on trim wheel.

In cruise, if the trim wheel moves, something has changed enough that I need to pay attention.

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