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 Post subject: Turbonormalized Baron
PostPosted: 30 Jan 2013, 21:59 
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Any word on whether TAT received the certification for the Turbonormalized Baron? I already own a TNG36. Moving to a Baron would be great but I would want the performance of a TN bird.


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 Post subject: Re: Turbonormalized Baron
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I think George is fully occupied with getting G100UL fuel approved, without which TN becomes almost irrelevant.


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 Post subject: Re: Turbonormalized Baron
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In order for me to drop 100amu's on it I would need to see better than 210 kts TAS at 10,500 on under 30GPH LOP. What would you need to see to make the leap?

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 Post subject: Re: Turbonormalized Baron
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In order for me to drop 100amu's on it I would need to see better than 210 kts TAS at 10,500 on under 30GPH LOP. What would you need to see to make the leap?



Tom,

Speed is not a huge issue for me, but need to be in the 180 to 200kt range. What would really excite me is fuel economy and rate of climb.

However, it's a huge commitment, more than I make in a month.....

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 Post subject: Re: Turbonormalized Baron
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Yea, just think what a pilot could get in a 58P, Duke, or a TN36 if he put $250-300amus in play. OTOH, I have done most of the "stuff" to my airplane and the thought starting over on a different airplane makes me crazy.

For that money, I think I would rather have TKS and air conditioning with my 520 engines. I can get 190 kts on 30ish GPH right now. :shrug:

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I do not remember the fuel flow numbers but if I recall the TN Baron was doing very impressive speeds, 200 + if memory serves me well.

Tim was saying last year that the Baron project was on the boil again, so in parallel to G100UL it may be happening, just it had to take a back seat.

I think the density controller "world peace" was part of the plan so that probably needed some work too.

If I had no budget limits, in the piston world a nice TN Baron would be as close to heaven or Jasons PC12 as you could get.

Maybe George will find a minute of sleep he does not need and post a reply.

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 Post subject: Re: Turbonormalized Baron
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I would like the twin redundancy. If I was getting over 200 knots I'd be happy. I also like the ability to get high and over most of the weather. I can do all of that now........I just do not have the second engine. My mission will be changing with more flying at night over big rocks!


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a G58 will do 200kt easy. Why not get a P baron?


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As Tom Drew mentioned the alternatives above, I think this warrants a turbonormalized Baron vs 58P vs Duke thread. The latter two are now more appealing to me. If I were to outlay $100-$150K on my existing Baron for the TN conversion, I would be more inclined to buy a Duke or 58P and enjoy the additional speed, along with air conditioning, known icing, and pressurization. With the Duke, I would also get a nicer cabin, and air stair door, perhaps a potty, and huge boost in ramp appeal.

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It all comes down to maintenance. If a guy can get ready access to a mechanic that knows these aircraft (58P or Duke) inside and out it could work. If a guy gets stuck with, "Let's start putting new parts on until we find the problem..." then it is game-set-match.

I would probably have $450AMU's in my Baron to get what I think I need in it. TN 550's, oxygen, couple/three Aspens, air conditioning, TKS... That money get's me the nicest 58P or Duke on the market and probably $100AMU's for gas.

Given that mathematic reality, it makes sense what they are doing in ADA and working on fuel. Also, it is likely that they will be competing with a Diesel engine of some sort as well. My uninformed .02.

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The comments below are completely sarcastic but I do not have a sarcastic emoticon yet....
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Why the obsession with ramp appeal. It shows up in many comparisons. As a group, are pilots that vain really? And the people we are going to most impress are other guys. Is that really what we are striving to attain? Based on the Mexican Airlines thread and other comments I would say appealing to other guys is not the goal; but you never know....

For me anything that flies and looks well maintained is sweet. A nice paint job and a clean interior go the extra mile. They show a level of TLC (it might be superficial, but yah got to start somewhere!).

But at the end of the day, I thought we bought planes to do two things. Go somewhere and/or enjoy the journey. How does looking good help us there?

Lastly, if you are single like JC and are playing the field I can kind get the ramp appeal factors. But for that you really need something much larger which can carry the group of young ladies which most of us do not have the funds for... (either the plane or the high MX factors attended by that many young ladies!)

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It all comes down to maintenance. If a guy can get ready access to a mechanic that knows these aircraft (58P or Duke) inside and out it could work. If a guy gets stuck with, "Let's start putting new parts on until we find the problem..." then it is game-set-match.

I would probably have $450AMU's in my Baron to get what I think I need in it. TN 550's, oxygen, couple/three Aspens, air conditioning, TKS... That money get's me the nicest 58P or Duke on the market and probably $100AMU's for gas.

Given that mathematic reality, it makes sense what they are doing in ADA and working on fuel. Also, it is likely that they will be competing with a Diesel engine of some sort as well. My uninformed .02.


$450 buys a lot of airplane..

You start with a Decent Duke Airframe with runout engines for under 100K. Get a Boutique Overhaul @ VictorEngines for 160AMU & Spend another 100AMU on the Panel to go all glass. You'll still have 50AMU left to pay for fuel on your better-than-new Duke. I figure 185 hours of flight time.


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$450 buys a lot of airplane..

You start with a Decent Duke Airframe with runout engines for under 100K. Get a Boutique Overhaul @ VictorEngines for 160AMU & Spend another 100AMU on the Panel to go all glass. You'll still have 50AMU left to pay for fuel on your better-than-new Duke. I figure 185 hours of flight time


Just forwarded your post to my wife and said, "See, even the guys on BT say it's better to go with a Duke! We're making money by going with a Duke instead." :cheers:

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The TN Baron will "probably" be in the 230-235 knot range on 17.5 gph per engine.

That's UNOFFICIAL from me, not George.

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I realy love my G1000 and 700 autopilot............I think a Duke would be a great plane as well as the PBaron. Its hard for me to give up the G1000...


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