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 Post subject: Any DE's here?
PostPosted: 20 Sep 2012, 00:31 
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So here is my dilemma:

I have passed my written test, but cannot find anyone who is comfortable giving me my instrument check ride in my deb since it is a single yoke... I Ithink it is an ambiguous like in 61.45 maybe (maybe 41... I can't remember). Anyway, it refrences "instrument maneuvers". My instructor is single yoke blessed. He is willing to come on check ride if that is a possibility, or ideally I'll find a DE that can make this happen.

Is it possible?


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 Post subject: Re: Any DE's here?
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Brandon:

I'm not a DE, but I believe the FAA guidance to the DEs is that they NOT give rides in single yoke aircraft. I would recommend you rent a dual yoke for the test.

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 Post subject: Re: Any DE's here?
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Brandon:

I'm not a DE, but I believe the FAA guidance to the DEs is that they NOT give rides in single yoke aircraft. I would recommend you rent a dual yoke for the test.


Dan,

I believe it's up to the individual examiner.

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This seems to be the issue... My understanding was the same as Larry's.... I hate that the FAA can't give straight answers!

I have one that will absolutely do it... but I have to go to minnesota in order for it to happen (For the geographically challenged, that is far from AZ).

BRandon


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This sounds like job for Doug Rosendaal (sp?). Here on BT.

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This seems to be the issue... My understanding was the same as Larry's.... I hate that the FAA can't give straight answers!

I have one that will absolutely do it... but I have to go to minnesota in order for it to happen (For the geographically challenged, that is far from AZ).

BRandon

Might be less expensive to rent an airplane to perform the checkride in.


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This seems to be the issue... My understanding was the same as Larry's.... I hate that the FAA can't give straight answers!

I have one that will absolutely do it... but I have to go to minnesota in order for it to happen (For the geographically challenged, that is far from AZ).

BRandon

Might be less expensive to rent an airplane to perform the checkride in.


Flying from AZ to MN would cost considerably more than renting the dual yoke. IIRC the cost of that is about $300 for two months and the install/deinstall is about an hour of labor. For $400 you can take the test with your local DE.

As I said, I think the RECOMMENDATION is that DE's not do it in a single yoke airplane. However, it's up to the DE. Unfortunately, most would follow the recommendation.
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PM Doug Rozendaal. He may be able to fly out, do the ride, etc. May not, don't know all the rules about that stuff.

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Brandon I have a dual yoke you are welcome to use ... No charge and just return it when you're done.

PM me if you're interested.

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Ladies & Gents:

FAA Order 8900.2 (with Change 1) is the rulebook for examiners.

Page 7-101 paragraph 82 states:

"An aircraft provided for an instrument rating practical test must have engine and power controls that are easily reached and operable in a conventional manner by both pilots. A throwover yoke is not acceptable for the practical test."

That is why they cannot do the test.

By the way, we are allowed to accept a throw over yoke for tests that "do not involve instrument skills" . Also it has been ruled that dual brakes are not required.

I hope that helps.

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Brandon I have a dual yoke you are welcome to use ... No charge and just return it when you're done.

PM me if you're interested.

Gary


Very generous Gary! Well done...

I notice you have a Baron....One thought...IIRC the "V" goes opposite directions between Baron and Bo...


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PM'd Gary, but in the event that:

it wont work on my plane

OR

it is cheaper to just rent one locally than ship across the country...

Does anyone have one for rent/borrow that is reasonably local to phoenix area? I NEED to do this IR check ride, I have to fly to NorCal later in the month and have to get this done!


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