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 Post subject: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
PostPosted: 21 Aug 2012, 22:54 
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I need help please on selecting the best option for my aircraft: Are there any options for bigger wheels, stainless brakes, chrome brakes, double puck calipers? What is the best source? What is recommended? Oh yes, and do the 8" wheels fit?

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
PostPosted: 22 Aug 2012, 10:39 
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199-50 kit
tire 650-8-8 ply

you might need a cobalt drill for the larger bolts on the gear /adapter plate install

You will gain :Height for soft fields, more braking ( metallic )easier to roll with higher psi tire and wheel, faster take off roll

I did the three piston on my last A36 ( B58TC/B58P) WHEEL AND BRAKE

your upper hose will be 15-3/8 long ( gear to airframe )

lower will be around 13 to 15 inches ( gear to caliper )
I suggest you change the four master cylinder hoses since you have the system cracked .

its cheaper to install a 45 elbow fitting on the lower gear than on the hose

AN837-4D
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an837.php

I can make the hose in teflon with clear shrink or with blue polyester cover ( like the later models Turbines )

I used to sell that kit for 1100.00 with BFG tires and tubes
GB
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Please contact bonanzaparts@gmail.com. if you are looking for a set of used
you will need:
two wheels
two adapter plates
two brake assys
new mounting hardware


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
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199-50 kit
tire 650-8-8 ply

you might need a cobalt drill for the larger bolts on the gear /adapter plate install

You will gain :Height for soft fields, more braking ( metallic )easier to roll with higher psi tire and wheel, faster take off roll

I did the three piston on my last A36 ( B58TC/B58P) WHEEL AND BRAKE

your upper hose will be 15-3/8 long ( gear to airframe )

lower will be around 13 to 15 inches ( gear to caliper )
I suggest you change the four master cylinder hoses since you have the system cracked .

its cheaper to install a 45 elbow fitting on the lower gear than on the hose

I can make the hose in teflon with clear shrink or with blue polyester cover ( like the later models Turbines )

I used to sell that kit for 1100.00 with BFG tires and tubes
GB
N77gb@msn.com

Please contact bonanzaparts@gmail.com. if you are looking for a set of used
you will need:
two wheels
two adapter plates
two brake assys
new mounting hardware

Guy,
can you still sell me the kit?
Kind Regards
Robert

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
PostPosted: 22 Aug 2012, 11:05 
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best price for new is going to thru aircraft spruce
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2013I ... t13269.pdf

ouch , expensive

I would get a copy of the stc, get used set

ohc the calipers and wheels and paint the color you want

orings for pistons, new hardware


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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
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At just over $3200, Chief aircraft seems to have the best 199-50 price (they add a zero 050) for 8" wheel and brake kit. My last installation cost me $1700 prior to 1999. Par for the course.

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
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What do you think larry, this kit should include a Condom and some Lube for these prices ? :sad:

I cant understand the huge price increase on cast componets

I have asked Rapco to get into this market

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
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What do you think larry, this kit should include a Condom and some Lube for these prices ? :sad:

I cant understand the huge price increase on cast componets

I have asked Rapco to get into this market

GB

Yep, and all that for magnesium wheels with all the known magnesium issues.....

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
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Good call, Guy...
I sold a full new in box 199-50 kit for $1000, but that was back in 1997. Avgas was
around $2 as well. We are bombarded by inflation on all sides. One thing for sure... I would put that kit on the plane in a flash. When you have tried an emergency stop with old Goodyear brakes, and they fuse material to the rotors, then give zero stopping power when you most need it.. you need Clevelands. Your advice to scour the used plane parts guys for a take-off kit is the best bet, or just bite the $3037 bullet.. plus your hoses add a couple of bucks. The STC needed is STC SA19GL. Anyone with a copy could post it here, to help out a fellow BTer.

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
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the 199-50 kit is not approved for the deb--will have to get a field approval on it---good luck !!!!!
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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
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the 199-50 kit is not approved for the deb--will have to get a field approval on it---good luck !!!!!
Kevin

33 has same landing gear & wings as 35? So it should fit? Minor alteration?

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
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Kevin, I see you have some history on 33s, and I am not a Debonaire guy. I do know that so many things were scaled back on Debs to keep the prices down. Did you find there was actual room in the wheel wells for the 8" wheels and tires, on your Deb? I did a search, and find no large wheel kits covered by the STC, and you are correct on your field approval procedure. For my part, I would install a Cleveland brake kit, even if it meant keeping the old 6" wheels, which are approved, just for the safety issue of stopping when you need to. Goodyears were killers.

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Kevin, I see you have some history on 33s, and I am not a Debonaire guy. I do know that so many things were scaled back on Debs to keep the prices down. Did you find there was actual room in the wheel wells for the 8" wheels and tires, on your Deb? I did a search, and find no large wheel kits covered by the STC, and you are correct on your field approval procedure. For my part, I would install a Cleveland brake kit, even if it meant keeping the old 6" wheels, which are approved, just for the safety issue of stopping when you need to. Goodyears were killers.


The 8" wheels are not listed for the Debs and 36's. They were standard on older aircraft that came with the Goodyears for the possible extra braking power available. The six inch wheels are more than adequate for most of the single engine aircraft. Pretty sure the Barons all have 8" wheels. Since the wheel wells are the same on all the aircraft, the six and eight inch wheels with the proper tires all fit just fine. There is only about a half inch diameter difference.
In MY opinion, the six inch wheel and brake is more than adequate for singles. Therefore, why put the eight inch on considering the lack of availability of the 6.5 x 8 tire. I popped one on a Sunday and was lucky someone I knew in Stockton flew out with a tire and tube and tools to the airport I was at in the Central valley and got me going. Would gladly swap my 8's for six's. Everyone has six inch tires and tubes.


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35-55-58 are 8' wheels

33-36 are 6 ' wheel, the problem as the weight incresed on the A36 and those brakes really have to work hard, the tire is very close to max weight a 4024 lbs.


There will be a 8' wheel stc for the 36 for the two piston -50 kit and the -73 3 piston caliper model...

I had a B33 with a 199-50 kit, drilled ( cobalt bit )the holes for the larger bolts that was required, wheel went in there fine..
337 form, easy peasy

metallic lining is much better and longer life, better braking

Try it you love the added braking...

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 Post subject: Re: Urgent: Cleveland Wheel & Brake kit for 1968 E33
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35-55-58 are 8' wheels

33-36 are 6 ' wheel, the problem as the weight incresed on the A36 and those brakes really have to work hard, the tire is very close to max weight a 4024 lbs.


There will be a 8' wheel stc for the 36 for the two piston -50 kit and the -73 3 piston caliper model...

I had a B33 with a 199-50 kit, drilled ( cobalt bit )the holes for the larger bolts that was required, wheel went in there fine..
337 form, easy peasy

metallic lining is much better and longer life, better braking

Try it you love the added braking...

GB

Guy,
you need to use the 6.5x8 tire, or does a 7x8 fit too?
Robert

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650-8-8 PLY

195-675-8 or 10 ply also fit

We called that the High flotation tire size on the King Air

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