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 Post subject: G58 Baron Performance turbo
PostPosted: 05 Jun 2012, 15:54 
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Were looking a plane to buy to fit our mission.

75% of our trips are 250 N miles with one passenger and a pilot. This runway is 3000 foot long at 3800 MSL.

25% of our trips is 750 miles with 2 passengers, a pilot, and 150 lbs of baggage.


We need it to be IFR, known ice, and need a turbo as some of our MEA's are in the 15000 feet range in the Rockies.

1. Looking at the G58 Baron I cant seem to find the performance figures with a turbo normalized STC. Im looking for Runway distance for takeoff and landing, cruise performance such as TAS and GPH, Single engine service ceiling. Can anyone point me in the right direction on where to find this information?

2. For our mission if you was this passenger or pilot. Would you rather a Twin Piston such as a Baron? or a TBM 700B or Meridian with a single engine turbo prop?

Appreciate any advise!


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 Post subject: Re: G58 Baron Performance turbo
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There's no released TN or TC solution for the G58 yet.. 2013?

You should consider a P-Baron.

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PBaron is your only option.

Unless you'll do a TN Bo with FIKI


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Among the Beech piston line I think you are limited to the 58P or the Bonanza with a turbo.
Among other companies, there are plenty of choices. In terms of the question about passenger preference for a piston twin or a turbine, what is the driving priorty? Performance, passenger comfort, dispatch reliability, cost....
Everything is a tradeoff.....

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There is the 58TC also


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I would do that with my Duke, most people would consider it too tight for take-off/landing. :whistle:


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A lot of airplanes could fill that mission. Turbo aztec, turbo 310, seneca, twin commander. The 3000 ft runway would likely be a little short for accel/stop on larger twins. Not sure if there are many twin bos with deice, but some are supercharged which will get you high enough.


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2. For our mission if you was this passenger or pilot. Would you rather a Twin Piston such as a Baron? or a TBM 700B or Meridian with a single engine turbo prop?


No contest. The TBM, by a mile.


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2. For our mission if you was this passenger or pilot. Would you rather a Twin Piston such as a Baron? or a TBM 700B or Meridian with a single engine turbo prop?


No contest. The TBM, by a mile.


and a factor of 10 in price


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2. For our mission if you was this passenger or pilot. Would you rather a Twin Piston such as a Baron? or a TBM 700B or Meridian with a single engine turbo prop?


No contest. The TBM, by a mile.


and a factor of 10 in price[/quote]

And not even in the same league... and I'd sure take a used old TBM over a new Baron any time.
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There is no option for the TN for the Baron?

Whats this then?

http://www.merlynproducts.com/turbobaron.html


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There is no option for the TN for the Baron?

Whats this then?

http://www.merlynproducts.com/turbobaron.html

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Oh . . . I don't know . . . what is THIS then?

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