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 Post subject: Winged tail cone?
PostPosted: 31 Jan 2011, 00:16 
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I just saw a listing on Controller for a 1977 A36 that listed 'all speed mods'. One of the items listed (and in the picture) is a 'Winged Tail Cone'.

Sure enough, the tail cone has wings on it... :angel:

Anyone know the story on this? Is there a comphrehensive list of speed mods somewhere (along with some reviews would be even better)?


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 Post subject: Re: Winged tail cone?
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There was a Smith mod for the V-Tails that looked similar to that. I think it was one of the mods that BDS bought and then killed. It's landing lights that we desire you know, not cool speed mods.


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Yes,

A Mike Smith mod..

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 Post subject: Re: Winged tail cone?
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That does what exactly? :scratch:


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Appears to fair the intersection of the elevator and the tailcone when the elevator is in the neutral position. Smooth airflow would be my guess, less drag.


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Bryan is correct: Smith actually made two models of the tail cone. One that matched the angle of the ruddervators on the BE35, and one that matched the elevators of the BE36.

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Did it work? Why aren't his various mods still being sold?


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Did it work? Why aren't his various mods still being sold?

From what I remember reading many years ago, all of Smith's mods, when combined/installed on one airplane, yielded somewhere around 12~15 knots increase in true airspeed at 6~8k' altitude. These mods included a new nose bowl, external antenna removal/relocation, gap seals, tail cone, step removal, etc.

Smith won a lot of races (and flew through the Eiffel Tower).

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Did it work? Why aren't his various mods still being sold?

From what I remember reading many years ago, all of Smith's mods, when combined/installed on one airplane, yielded somewhere around 12~15 knots increase in true airspeed at 6~8k' altitude. These mods included a new nose bowl, external antenna removal/relocation, gap seals, tail cone, step removal, etc.

Smith won a lot of races (and flew through the Eiffel Tower).


Wow Max. I've seen a video of somebody flying under the Eiffel Tower. So that was this Smith Gent? I just looked and the video I saw is hosted on youtube. Same one?
http://youtu.be/_txdqnVP3-c


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my s model was done by smith,has all his mods!!!!with lycoming engine two bubbles on front of cowling for cylinder clearance/


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Did it work? Why aren't his various mods still being sold?

From what I remember reading many years ago, all of Smith's mods, when combined/installed on one airplane, yielded somewhere around 12~15 knots increase in true airspeed at 6~8k' altitude. These mods included a new nose bowl, external antenna removal/relocation, gap seals, tail cone, step removal, etc.


IIRC, that 12-15 KT increase was just the sum of the gains associated with each mod individually and a plane with "all the mods" was really less than 10 Kt faster at the same power setting and fuel flow.
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Hi Jeff (and all),

My V35B has the Mike Smith/Extended Tail Cone with the elevator fairings. As soon as I get her back from Annual, I will snap and post some pics.

FWIW, the S a few spots south of me at HWO also has the same tailcone mods.

The invoice for mine lists it as "Stinger Tail Cone - Mike Smith Model", but the logbook and 337 show two separate STCs involved. Cost without painting in 2003 was 0.6 AMU.

According to the logbook and 337s for my airplane, the STC for the tailcone is STC #SA2271WE ("Installation of long fiberglass tailcone to replace the short factory installed tailcone"). The Mike Smith fairings, listed on the STC as "elevator tail cone fairings", constitute a separate STC, which is SA1417CE.

That is literally all I know about them, other than they look cool.

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