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 Post subject: Garmin 530/430 vs. G1000
PostPosted: 17 Jan 2010, 22:41 
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I have previously flown Cessna products and am now considering a Bonanza or Baron (the later always makes more and more sense after having a few). I could afford a newish G36 2006 at the top end or any number of more used aircraft. The problem comes when looking at any aircraft older than about 2006 is that they can only have a combination or single Garmin 530/430 and perhaps on the high end G600/530/430. Does some form of this compare to the G1000? Has anyone come to the conclusion that spending that much money in avionics upgrades ever makes sense on an older airframe? I have owned an aircraft with the G1000 but I have never used a 530/430 so I am completely ignorant of the differences. If anyone with experience on both systems could offer some perspective I would appreciate it.


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 Post subject: Re: Garmin 530/430 vs. G1000
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I routinely fly Barons and Bonanzas equipped with 530/430 combinations and also G-1000. Although the 530/430 combination is very adequate for IFR trips, I feel that the G-1000 is far superior. If you are already a G-1000 user, you will not have the transition that many other pilots need. Namely knowing where everything is and being accustomed to reading the airspeed, altitude and VSI strips. Possible vacuum pump failures and AHRS failures cause different partial panel scenarios, but both are equally manageable in my opinion. In the G-1000, there is no need for any additional MFD or PFD (like a GMX 200, or Aspen). If given a choice, I would always take the G-1000, but the other combination will serve you well in any mission.
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 Post subject: Re: Garmin 530/430 vs. G1000
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In my experience with the 530/430 I have not found a situation that this combination could not handle. There are several options out there that have the 530/430 combination with a MX200 or MX20 that are very adequate, as log as you have all the options, ( Chart View, XM Weather, XM Radio).

I should note that on the 530, XM radar can be depicted and the XM radio is operated though this unit, therefore, I found that it does a lot of the things an MFD could do.

Im sure that the G1000 is superior but I wouldn't sell the 530/430 with a good MFD short, its a very good set up.

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin 530/430 vs. G1000
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I have about equal time in both setups. The G1000 is clearly better and more capable. Moreover, I would suggest that if you're a G1000 user who is going to a 530/430 you'll find the transition more difficult than a 530/430 user going to a G1000.

That said, it's true that the G1000 doesn't materially enhance your mission capability, so the A36 you buy with a 530/430 will get you there just as fast and comfortably as a G36. However, I rather doubt if you're coming *from* the G1000 you'll be happy with a 530/430 setup. My $0.02.

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin 530/430 vs. G1000
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Thanks to everyone for the feedback. I always assumed that the 530/430 had the same functions as the G1000 without the larger screens. I also read this aviation writer who gave the 530/430 a such bad review, it made me wonder what else was different than the G1000:

http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/garmin-gps

One of the problems mentioned in the article is the lack of support for airways. Is that still the case?

I appreciate the comment that avionics won't change the capability of the aircraft or alter the mission. There's just a little of the "Once they've seen paris..." kind of thing with any change in technology.


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 Post subject: Re: Garmin 530/430 vs. G1000
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I'm very familiar with Philip's review, and I'm sad to report that, unfortunately, every negative he mentions on the 530/430 is still true today (eg, still no airways). The 480/MX20 (now GMX200) combo and the G1000 are still far superior in terms of capability, though some have said the user interface of the 480 is worse than the 530/430. Hard to imagine that's possible, but I have no experience with a 480 so I won't refute it ;)

For the record, my A36 has a 530/430 combo and I'm happy with it. I also currently have no intention of upgrading to the G500/600 because I'm quite comfortable with my setup. It's all about what you get used to and knowing the equipment you do have inside and out, in my opinion.

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I'm very familiar with Philip's review, and I'm sad to report that, unfortunately, every negative he mentions on the 530/430 is still true today (eg, still no airways). The 480/MX20 (now GMX200) combo and the G1000 are still far superior in terms of capability, though some have said the user interface of the 480 is worse than the 530/430. Hard to imagine that's possible, but I have no experience with a 480 so I won't refute it ;)

For the record, my A36 has a 530/430 combo and I'm happy with it. I also currently have no intention of upgrading to the G500/600 because I'm quite comfortable with my setup. It's all about what you get used to and knowing the equipment you do have inside and out, in my opinion.


The 480 user interface isn't "worse" than a 430, it's just different and most of the criticism aimed at the (superior for IFR) 480 comes from 430 users expecting to find some commonality. There's also the issue of the 480's significantly expanded capability which by itself necessitates a steeper learning curve simply because there's more to learn. But like the 530 vs G1000 comparison much of the additional capability of the 480 vs the 430 is related to convenience, there's little or nothing that can be accomplished with a 480 that cannot be duplicated (with more effort) on a 430.

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I have a GNS480,430w,and MX200, that combo gives me everything I need,the 480 is a good FMS(only problem is we won't ever get any more software upgrades,if that matters),the 430 is definitely easier to learn to use,and the MX200 has weather,charts,safe taxi,traffic,air ways,which makes it pretty good for IFR.I've flown behind a G1000 in a cessna and they are great,I wouldn't go G1000 without the garmin A/P,if money isn't an issue go G1000,but a 530/430/MX200 combo will give you a great platform,,,my .011/2 cents

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 Post subject: Re: Garmin 530/430 vs. G1000
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I have a 1976 A36 Bonanza with a CNX 80 (same as a GNS 480).

Having never used a 430/530 when I bought my CNX 80 new from Garmin, I had nothing to 'unlearn'. I believe it remains the finest GPS navigator ever made for GA (not to mention the first WAAS unit).

AFAIK there's nothing a G1000 equipped A36 can do that I can't do with my A36. I may not have a large display screen in the cockpit, but I was flying IFR coast-to-coast with just VOR's and a DME so from my perspective what I have is more than necessary. I guess it's about perspective.

The built in airways make airway based flight planning easy and quick.

As for the glass panels, there is much to like about them and much that gives me pause.

I find my old fashioned 6 pack to be incredibly reliable, easy to maintain and economical to own and operate. I'm not sure I could make those statements about a G1000.


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Does the Aspen offer airways?


I emailed Aspen this question and got a form email re-directing me back to their website. I could not find the answer on the site, which was why I wrote the email in the first place.

Their new MFD uses Jepp data but I've never been able to find a straight answer to this question. :bang:

The PFD just shows course lines from the 530/430.


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Does the Aspen offer airways?


I emailed Aspen this question and got a form email re-directing me back to their website. I could not find the answer on the site, which was why I wrote the email in the first place.

Their new MFD uses Jepp data but I've never been able to find a straight answer to this question. :bang:

The PFD just shows course lines from the 530/430.


The MFD can display airways. However, the 430/530 doesn't provide a means of entering an airway into a flightplan by airway number, you have to enter the waypoints manually.
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Sounds like I should have expanded the comparison to include the 480 as well. While I am sure any of them can be used to navigate coast to coast (for $10-20K they should). Here are some more specific questions about functionality that would help me out. I fly out of KADS so these examples are based on ATC requests we see in this area:

Descend at discretion and cross waypoint X at X,000 ft.: On a G1000 you can program this altitude into the waypoint and get vertical guidance so that you cross at the correct altitude with the minimum decent rate. I have missed a couple of these in the past (non-G1000) because I was busy and mis-judged the decent rate required for the waypoint. ATC in this area may expect some rapid rates up to 2,000 FPM so this can really catch you by surprise.

When using STAR's a common issue is to have the STAR waypoints all loaded, the plate out, and flying along patting yourself on the back when you will be told go direct waypoint X. The problem is waypoint X is NOT on the STAR. So you have to find it, or ask for the spelling, making sure to mumble your tail number. OK not the end of the world, but on a G1000 it's easy to take this waypoint and use it to load a different STAR because that's really what ATC has done is move you to a different STAR without telling you specifically. This is nice when it's busy to have quickly switched to the other STAR and automatically loaded all of the new waypoints so you know what's coming next.

Joining airways. This is an easy thing to do on a G1000. If the 530/430 doesn't support airways then I suppose you have to look on the chart, enter the waypoints, figure out the leg that the join should occur on given current course and make it active?

The other nice to have is a go-around button. On the G1000 you have a go-around button that automatically cycles the GPS and flight director to the missed and makes it simple follow the guidance or just let the autopilot fly you back out to the hold. Another nice to have, but certainly safer than remembering/looking at the plate while in IMC low to the ground.

I know expecting these kinds of functions makes me sound pretty spoiled. I am also aware that you can fly safely and accurately using even the lowest/cheapest form of IFR GPS. I am just trying to get a better understanding of the differences so I know what I am giving up by not going to a G36 and saving some money.

Thanks for the responses and any additional info. on the 480 in these situations would be appreciated as well.


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