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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian  Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 18:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: Newer meridian G1000 or older TBM 700 a or B with old gauges ? Neither. Buy a Mustang.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 18:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Newer meridian G1000 or older TBM 700 a or B with old gauges ? Neither. Buy a Mustang.
I would love a Mustang. It would not match my mission, but I would just have to leave some people behind. hehe
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 18:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: Newer meridian G1000 or older TBM 700 a or B with old gauges ? Neither. Buy a Mustang.
That's where the market has been. It's a Mustang, or a Phenom.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 18:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: Newer meridian G1000 or older TBM 700 a or B with old gauges ? I'd take the TBM without hesitation. Depreciation is done and the TBM is objectively faster/longer range/greater payload. That mattered when new; it matters now; it will matter in 10 years. The TBM's were delivered with a state of the art, still very capable set of avionics. They are out of fashion now just as the G1000 will be in 10 years. Sic transit gloria mundi.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 19:40 |
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I don't quite agree with that one. Round gauges in ten years will look a pay phone!
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 19:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't quite agree with that one. Round gauges in ten years will look a pay phone! Meh, they'll look like A/S, Alt, HDG, Attitude and VSI to me.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 20:01 |
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Rick, To upgrade a TBM 700 or 850 Legacy to glass, G600 / GTNs cost the same as upgrading a round guage Bonanza or Baron, it might be cheaper than upgrading your G36 when G1000 is obsolete in xx years. The point im trying to make is it makes more sense to spend $100k in avionics upgrade in a $1.5m TBM than a $200k Bonanza. Michael, I would buy the oldest TBM in the fleet before a newer Meridian. But when you look at it, the higher gross weight TBM 700 C2 or 850 makes the most sense if you plan to keep it long term and for better resale value. They are newer, lower time and better equipped. Username Protected wrote: I don't quite agree with that one. Round gauges in ten years will look a pay phone!
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 22:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't quite agree with that one. Round gauges in ten years will look a pay phone! And in 10 years a G1000 will look like an Atari 2600. Round gauges are functional and will always be economically viable.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 18 Aug 2013, 23:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Newer meridian G1000 or older TBM 700 a or B with old gauges ? Neither. Buy a Mustang.
First off, I would not buy a new Meridian. I don't think the value is there. Your decision should be either I buy an older Meridian, upgrade it to a dual G500 (got to be dual in the meridian because of the autopilot) or the older TBM. You get nothing from a newer meridian except massive depreciation (they are actually slower than the older meridians). You can upgrade the panel on the TBM fairly easily if you want as well. However, that makes the delta in question on the price difference much greater. Now you are talking 500k, minimum in price difference.
Having said all that, I am looking at an older mustang (older being relative), so mission creep got the best of me.
I learned to fly on round gauges and I do not want to go back to them. If I bought an older TBM or PC-12, my first stop would be at the avionics shop, before I even got it home.
I am impressed with the G1000, but, in some ways I prefer the modularity of the G500 and GTN stuff.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 01:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: I always find it interesting how some people buy new, others buy used. And neither side can really understand the other and think the other side is crazy.
Tim Let's face it, buying airplanes, new or used is crazy!
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 01:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: Why does everyone complain about how hard it is to get into the pilots seat of a PA46? Flew one last week and it was easy to get in and out of. How tall are you ?
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 01:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Why does everyone complain about how hard it is to get into the pilots seat of a PA46? Flew one last week and it was easy to get in and out of. I also found the rear cabin to be much more comfortable than a Baron or Bo. Especially if you have 3 people back there. Anyone approaching or over six feet or with a waist line over 30in will find it annoying.  And yes I am being cheeky. The reality is the space between the two front seats is somewhere around 8 inches but feels like less. You have to slide one foot forward, do a shuffle then pick the front foot into the seat while holding your upper torso up as you are bent over.... Tim
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Post subject: Re: Piper Meridian Posted: 19 Aug 2013, 07:09 |
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Username Protected wrote:
And in 10 years a G1000 will look like an Atari 2600. Round gauges are functional and will always be economically viable.
G1000 has been out since 2005 and it's still mainstream with many software updates. Garmin is the future. They don't make planes with round dials anymore ya know. Haven't in years. Is anyone even making round dials anymore? The future of aviation is efficiency and automation.
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