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 Post subject: Cessna's Anti-GA Policy
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2013, 16:16 
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Had a Cessna Factory technical representative stop by my hangar looking for a particular Citation needing his expertise. He handles the Southeast region. He has to fly commercially or drive, company policy does not permit him to fly using GA aircraft.

Anyone heard of this before with Cessna?

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I had a friend who needed service and Cessna sent their tech down from Orlando. The tech was from England but lives here now and he drive down, did not fly. Seems stupid that a company making the planes would not fly them down!

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Had a Cessna Factory technical representative stop by my hangar looking for a particular Citation needing his expertise. He handles the Southeast region. He has to fly commercially or drive, company policy does not permit him to fly using GA aircraft.

Anyone heard of this before with Cessna?


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Nothing to do with anti-GA policy. The sales staff and some engineers/managers get to use company planes. Everyone else, nope. It is simple math.
-- The mechanics time, if not on a warranty call is paid by the customer
-- The mechanics time, if on warranty the time savings does not come close to the cost of the plane.
-- The associated liability costs and PR management if the mechanic crashes the plane are not even close to the potential benefits,

If I was running Cessna, I would make the same call.

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Nothing to do with anti-GA policy. The sales staff and some engineers/managers get to use company planes. Everyone else, nope. It is simple math.
-- The mechanics time, if not on a warranty call is paid by the customer
-- The mechanics time, if on warranty the time savings does not come close to the cost of the plane.
-- The associated liability costs and PR management if the mechanic crashes the plane are not even close to the potential benefits,

If I was running Cessna, I would make the same call.

Tim


Exactly. I doubt the PR advantage of seeing a mechanic flying in with a new Cessna would beat the savings.


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Just had a visit from Cessna last week and we mentioned the same thing. Apparently a guy crashed back in 86 and corporate put the kybash on reps flying GA. Too much liability.

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This is what's wrong with our country. One guy has a bad day and we punish the entire class. stupid thinking. To much I have to pee, but wait let me check with the attorney and HR first. I'm so glad NOT to be working for corporate Amerika!


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It is probably an insurance thing that is driving a company police. I know the company I work for has a strict travel policy in many aspects. Particular to aviation is the fact that it only allows travel on airlines and in some cases some part 135 with specific pre approval after vetting of the 135 company safety policy. This is all driven by the corporate insurance.

I also have a friend who is a CEO of a company he built. Specific to his insurance policy it says the any airplane he is in must have 2 commercial pilots, he cannot even go for a ride with me on a pleasure trip.


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It is probably an insurance thing that is driving a company police. I know the company I work for has a strict travel policy in many aspects. Particular to aviation is the fact that it only allows travel on airlines and in some cases some part 135 with specific pre approval after vetting of the 135 company safety policy. This is all driven by the corporate insurance.

I also have a friend who is a CEO of a company he built. Specific to his insurance policy it says the any airplane he is in must have 2 commercial pilots, he cannot even go for a ride with me on a pleasure trip.


I repeatedly tell the people that I work for that the day I loose my medical is the day that I retire. If I don't fly I don't work.

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It is probably an insurance thing that is driving a company police. I know the company I work for has a strict travel policy in many aspects. Particular to aviation is the fact that it only allows travel on airlines and in some cases some part 135 with specific pre approval after vetting of the 135 company safety policy. This is all driven by the corporate insurance.

I also have a friend who is a CEO of a company he built. Specific to his insurance policy it says the any airplane he is in must have 2 commercial pilots, he cannot even go for a ride with me on a pleasure trip.


If I were the CEO it would be a cold day in hell before I let someone else tell me what I can and can't do. Again it's what's wrong with the country. To many wussies listening to insurance company lawers. Puke. Hence why I work for myself.


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Just had a visit from Cessna last week and we mentioned the same thing. Apparently a guy crashed back in 86 and corporate put the kybash on reps flying GA. Too much liability.


Mark,

Might check that - don't think there was a Cessna employee crash in 1986. Entire time I worked there I flew GA if the economics worked, airlined or drove if not.

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They frequently fly back and forth to Independence from Wichita in some of their singles as far as I know. I used to see them fly over my house going east frequently, but moved a couple of years ago.


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Just had a visit from Cessna last week and we mentioned the same thing. Apparently a guy crashed back in 86 and corporate put the kybash on reps flying GA. Too much liability.


Mark,

Might check that - don't think there was a Cessna employee crash in 1986. Entire time I worked there I flew GA if the economics worked, airlined or drove if not.

Warmest regards,
Rick


I will have to talk to my rep about pulling my chain. :bat: Either way the guy had to come in from WI as he inherited 5 more states.
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My father-in-law worked for Cessna Finance Corp back in the 70's and they let him fly a Cardinal all over the Southeastern US. Times have changed.


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The company that makes light bulbs uses kerosene lanterns to light the home.

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Airparts has a Nice Citation they fly AOG deliveries..

Our local Benz dealers have a couple ML-350s they use for roadside service.

In Cessna's case, it would necessitate a GrandCaravan nearby and a Pilot to fly the mission with 1-2 A&Ps, enough tools and spare parts for the job. With the proper PaintJob, that would make GREAT advertising!

Cessna does run a Caravan shuttle between Independence & Wichita, or at least they did last time I visited KIDP.


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