BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 11:33

This thread seems more like a "future of piston single aviation" than Bo vs Cirrus.

No real mention of a Corvallis. Does Cessna sell many of those?

Else -whom else is left in piston GA?(not counting LSA - for a different mission). The rest of Cessna's planes are airframe wise - lower tech than the Bo.

I am a new pilot - just finishing PPL. When done, I will own my plane. Aspire to an older Bo, but a Mouse/Sundower or other single will probably be a better fit.

Not relavant to this discussion on new planes - BUT - what choices will pilots have for inexpensive uxsed planes 30 years from now? A few Mooneys will be left (God bless them, but me thinks they won't be coming back). And 172/182's (like cockroaches I suspect, but in a good way). And Cirrus. Will a viable 4 place Bo / Beech ever exist again?

So guys - take good care of your current planes. They'll be needed.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 11:59

Username Protected wrote:

Wow! 40 pages but I finally made it to the end.

Now I can go back to work and try and recover a weeks worth of lost wages. :crazy:

Yes, life is full of choices..

Why do so many of us choose to spend our lives here? :scratch:

#addiction
#lossofselfcontrol
#timeconsuming

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 12:00

You forgot about Piper if they ever make a faster single engine that does not cost a million bucks.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 12:16

Username Protected wrote:

I would love to see Cirrus come up with a either a six seat single airframe, or six seat composite twin, until then, Beechcraft will always have some interest in their new piston planes.

Why ? Both of those market segments are already served and neither of the manufacturers in it is making any money.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 12:26

Username Protected wrote:

Why ? Both of those market segments are already served and neither of the manufacturers in it is making any money.

I think Cirrus needs a step-up option (besides the jet) for families with 5-6 people, as was mentioned by someone earlier in the thread about fitting two child seats in the back of an SR22 and not being able to carry 5 people.

The current option is sell your SR22 and buy a Cherokee Six/Saratoga, Bonanza, or Matrix/Malibu/Meridian, or a used 6+ place twin. I would consider buying a 6-place composite with retractable gear.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 12:31

Username Protected wrote:

The current option is sell your SR22 and buy a Cherokee Six/Saratoga, Bonanza, or Matrix/Malibu/Meridian, or a used 6+ place twin. I would consider buying a 6-place composite with retractable gear.

Except for the composite part, this is already available in the Piper Matrix.

At this time, the people who are faced with this step and have the means to do so seem to go towards the Meridian and used TBMs. The sliver of the market for 6-place pistons is small, Piper got out of the Saratoga line a couple of years ago and beech spends months without putting ink on a contract for a G36.

I doubt that segment would come close to supporting development for a new airframe.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 12:40

A lot of these factors pertaining to the costs to develop a new airframe and market share, etc. Did they not exist when Cirrus developed the SR-20? If Cirrus had any idea about these concerns back then, they never would have existed.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 13:01

Pilatus has never been in maintenance more than a day or so. Service center is on my home field.

No, I don't see the point in owning another commuter plane. I'd rather fly the Pilatus

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 13:13

Username Protected wrote:

Pilatus has never been in maintenance more than a day or so. Service center is on my home field.

No, I don't see the point in owning another commuter plane. I'd rather fly the Pilatus

What if you had stepped up to the 300 Jet instead of the PC12?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 13:22

Quote:

A lot of these factors pertaining to the costs to develop a new airframe and market share, etc. Did they not exist when Cirrus developed the SR-20? If Cirrus had any idea about these concerns back then, they never would have existed.

Paints a picture of no new blood, and maybe no new models in the piston GA market.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 13:24

Username Protected wrote:

Pilatus has never been in maintenance more than a day or so. Service center is on my home field.

No, I don't see the point in owning another commuter plane. I'd rather fly the Pilatus

What if you had stepped up to the 300 Jet instead of the PC12?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 13:30

Charles,

I agree the cost side is just noise when you can "Justify" a midsize jet. Its more about mission, and your not going to take the jet into your farm strip as an example.

Personally, I think Jason made an excellent choice with the PC12.

Mike

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 14:31

Username Protected wrote:

Make a 6 person Cirrus and I might consider it. I have 2 small children who need their mother in the back to attend to them. The Cirrus doesn't fit that mission, even with the "split" seating that supposedly accommodates 3 "people" in the back seat. throw in 2 car seats for the kids and the back seat is eaten up. So for a small family, the bird doesn't fit.

On road trips when I was young there was no way my parents could reach back and "attend" us. Same thing for my kids, it was not until much later in life that I had a vehicle where an adult could or would go back and "attend" the kids. This applied from the time when kids were a one year old and four years old and up. And we did road trips from St. Louis MO to Lakeland Fl via Washington DC to see the grandparents.

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 14:34

Username Protected wrote:

Make a 6 person Cirrus and I might consider it. I have 2 small children who need their mother in the back to attend to them. The Cirrus doesn't fit that mission, even with the "split" seating that supposedly accommodates 3 "people" in the back seat. throw in 2 car seats for the kids and the back seat is eaten up. So for a small family, the bird doesn't fit.

On road trips when I was young there was no way my parents could reach back and "attend" us. Same thing for my kids, it was not until much later in life that I had a vehicle where an adult could or would go back and "attend" the kids. This applied from the time when kids were a one year old and four years old and up. And we did road trips from St. Louis MO to Lakeland Fl via Washington DC to see the grandparents.

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 24 May 2013, 14:41

Username Protected wrote:

On road trips when I was young there was no way my parents could reach back and "attend" us. Same thing for my kids, it was not until much later in life that I had a vehicle where an adult could or would go back and "attend" the kids. This applied from the time when kids were a one year old and four years old and up. And we did road trips from St. Louis MO to Lakeland Fl via Washington DC to see the grandparents.

Tim

And, when the kid needed a diaper change or threw up or (as they get older) were fighting because "Katie won't stay on her side"... You pulled off to the side of the road, right? You also probably never had to worry about a kid clearing their ears?

Cirrus is so far out in front.......