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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front.......  Posted: 19 May 2013, 20:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: I really hate to bring this thread full circle but...........................
These two airplanes were side by side today when I finished giving an IPC.
Same vintage, both non turbo. Who would pick the one on the right over the one on the left? That's not even apples and oranges. It's apples and grapes. That's an SR20. 
Chad, I was talking aesthetics. OK, imagine longer wings on the Cirrus. You can't see the engine!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 19 May 2013, 20:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: I really hate to bring this thread full circle but...........................
These two airplanes were side by side today when I finished giving an IPC.
Same vintage, both non turbo. Who would pick the one on the right over the one on the left? 99% of this bbs would pick the Bo. If not 100%. The problem is that that Bo hasn't much evolved since then. The other has. Significantly.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 19 May 2013, 20:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Late to the thread, but Jason, this is cirrus's next step towards selling to non owners who want to avoid the airlines. It's not exactly an airplane that fly's it self, but buy the plane and it comes with a pilot. http://cirrusaircraft.com/news/cirrus-aircraft-announces-a-new-ownership-program-for-non-pilots-cirrus-on-demandtmInteresting. I wonder if this might be more appealing than (or as appealing as) self-piloted fractional ownership if there is a very large pool of pilots available. It's not a difficult plane to learn. How hard would it be to train twenty or so pilots in a city that would be willing to fly a new Cirrus on-demand? Young CFIs, retired pros, bored air traffic controllers... 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 19 May 2013, 20:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: Beechcraft has no presence on Beechtalk......'nuff said. That is not correct, they are here.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 19 May 2013, 20:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: Here's the future, forget the Bo' vs. Cirrus debate. These guys did some test flight across the lake in Plattsburgh NY: http://www.terrafugia.com/A dumb idea that will never die.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 19 May 2013, 21:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: And there we go....... God I hate being right all the time.... It's a curse. Yep . . . You're cursed alright.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 19 May 2013, 21:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: I really hate to bring this thread full circle but...........................
These two airplanes were side by side today when I finished giving an IPC.
Same vintage, both non turbo. Who would pick the one on the right over the one on the left? Trick question? The Beechcraft not even a question. I don't care what the model of the plastic airplane is.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 19 May 2013, 22:15 |
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OK, let's synopsize this:
Cirrus looks "cool, stylish & mod" in fact justin beiber'll probably want one
The chute makes the uninformed feel good
Interior looks like a Lexus (not my favorite)
Jason likes it better
Fine . . .
Had my wife been better at picking numbers Friday, I'd be placing my order for the one on the left in the morning, and I'm guessing so would most of the others following this.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 19 May 2013, 22:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: Beechcraft has no presence on Beechtalk......'nuff said. That is not correct, they are here.
John,
I suspect they are but surely they aren't so arrogant as to ignore the largest forum on the INET of Beech owners. But where are Beech's contributions, plans for the future, justifications for the past, or maybe just maybe make it a little easier to do business with their customers.
I'll forever remember Beechcraft for their refusal to sell a brand new airplane with Tempest spark plugs just because that is not how they did it. If I can't buy a brand new $700K airplane with an approved spark plug of my choice then I'm pretty sure, I won't be able to get TN or tip tanks or any number of mods that will make my aircraft more serviceable.
How many posts are on this board that stated a Beech salesman refused to call a potential customer back? If I were the President of Beechcraft, I'd search for that exact phrase and fire a salesman each time it came up in the search engine.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 19 May 2013, 22:46 |
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Username Protected wrote:
How many posts are on this board that stated a Beech salesman refused to call a potential customer back? If I were the President of Beechcraft, I'd search for that exact phrase and fire a salesman each time it came up in the search engine. Just as a point of contrast I was poking around on the Cirrus website last Sunday afternoon (Mother's Day) and finally decided I wanted to go look at one. I sent an email in from their website. I had a call from their local sales person at 8 a.m. the next morning. He said he thought about calling me Sunday afternoon but didn't want to interrupt any plans I may have had. He offered me a demo flight anytime that week that I wanted to go. I deferred until tomorrow because I was tied up, and I wanted to see how they handle thunderstorms which we will have plenty of tomorrow.  They are serious about selling airplanes.
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