I would never fly my Baron coast to coast. And yes the airlines would beat the Cirrus coast to coast. Even on a recent trip to Cabo that I did on the airlines, airlines took me 4.5 door to door. In my Baron, a Cirrus, or any other +/-200kts. airplane that trip would have taken at least 6+ door to door. I just can't see it as a true XC business airplane as I can a turboprop or a jet. Just my opinion.

Why do I read these threads???

I guess just to remind me how we all have different opinions, needs, and wants when it comes to aviation.


Leldon

Well I'm Nicky-New-Guy around here too but not new to GA and I have some thoughts.
A Cirrus as an entry level training plane? W.T.H? In my book a C-150 for <$20 AMU is an entry level plane and time builder until a fella can move on up.
And a quick perusal (with some napkin calculations) of Trade-A-Plane shows that the Bo 36 costs the same or a bit less but holds a greater portion of its value 10-20 years down the road. Maybe Bonanza does have it wrong. They build them too well and a money-conscious buyer can buy a used bird that is 100% of the quality of a new one for less bucks.
Avionics? Add 'em in and upgrade as needed. The platform will remain airworthy indefinitely.
JC I see your point that Beech isn't keeping the interest of the iGeneration and I'm certainly not being critical of Cirrus for doing so. And a big thumbs-down to Beech for anally violating the vintage flyer that wants to buy a part for his plane.
I hope that GA stays alive for a long time and if it takes the erosion of flying skills in favor of electron manipulation to accomplish this I guess I'll have to continue to become my Father and ride the wave, griping all the way.
For now I'll work on getting my albatross in the air and hopefully enjoy the beauty, grace, primitive design and value of my K35.

you can Finance a SR22 for 10 Years with 15% down & 2.5AMU per month..

not that hard to justify for the person with the need to cover 300-600nm trips frequently.

I would not trade my '76 A36 with TAT TN 550 and CNX 80 straight up for the latest, greatest, brand new Cirrus.

I can haul 5 adults, overnight luggage and full fuel in my A36.

I can haul 4 adults, full fuel, weekend luggage and golf clubs for 4 in my A36.

I think the Cirrus is a fine airplane; I've got nothing against them; but I learned on steam gauges and have flown coast to coast IFR with nothing more than a couple of VOR's and a DME. Steam may not be the future, but it works well.

Everyone who rides with me is impressed by the airplane. Who doesn't like crusing at 200 MPH or more when they could otherwise be driving a car?

Now, as for the latest panel gadgetry, Jason, can you tell us what the annual subscription costs are?

With 'steam' all I have to do is update a single IFR GPS Nav/Com and I'm good to go. I can shoot any approach and fly any clearance the Cirrus can.

Plus I've got money left over to afford to go places.

Maybe we should all get together and by the Beechcraft executives each a copy of "Who Moved My Cheese". It seems more than appropriate.

I don't know what a new Cirrus sells for, but I looked at a 2012 G36 yesterday, and was told it was $830k. I can tell you, I would never be a buyer for that plane at that cost.

Personally, I like the idea of taking these older planes, and doing upgrades that make them incredibly capable and safer. New paint and interior, better than new, factory new engines, latest/greatest avionics, at maybe 25% of the cost of a new one. (I am using a Baron as an example)

Who needs these microwaves when my oven will work just fine!

A psychologist would have a heyday on this forum......lots of needs. Is there a BT Shrink
here ?

That describes the reactions here perfectly

I think John Collins has it right.

However, "You can't crash a Cirrus". Tell that to the guy in the Everglades that screwed up his approach and torque rolled right over the top of my BO and crashed a few hundred feet behind me.

Once again, Cirrus isn't marketing to you or me. Cirrus is marketing to folks who have no idea what you're talking about. So, it doesn't matter what subscription costs are.

Bright guy. I just get a kick out of your posts. I am sure you are right. A certain vision here.

A psychologist would have a heyday on this forum......lots of needs. Is there a BT Shrink
here ?

Did you throw your oven away when you bought a microwave? How does your Thanksgiving turkey taste microwaved? Is it possible there may be room for both?

Did you throw your oven away when you bought a microwave? How does your Thanksgiving turkey taste microwaved? Is it possible there may be room for both?