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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 10:33 |
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Joined: 12/29/10 Posts: 7 Post Likes: +1
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Username Protected wrote: What has he been flying? Maybe an arrow is more economical or even a Sierra? It's difficult to get any cheaper on a cost per mile basis than a Mooney M20C-J.
_________________ Parker Woodruff ATP, CFI
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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 13:46 |
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Joined: 01/06/11 Posts: 2922 Post Likes: +1668 Location: Missouri
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Username Protected wrote: It's difficult to get any cheaper on a cost per mile basis than a Mooney M20C-J. I would say a RV-6A would be cheaper. While not exactly comparable I would give this some thought before dealing with the possible reseal of Mooney fuel tanks. The RV is a proven airframe/engine combination and the owner could legally do the maintenance. That said, I would buy a Bonanza before an RV and certainly before a Mooney if the budget allowed. Robert
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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 13:53 |
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Joined: 09/12/11 Posts: 3970 Post Likes: +1826 Company: RPM Aircraft Service Location: Gaithersburg MD KGAI
Aircraft: Mooney 201, A320
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Username Protected wrote: It's difficult to get any cheaper on a cost per mile basis than a Mooney M20C-J. I would say a RV-6A would be cheaper. While not exactly comparable I would give this some thought before dealing with the possible reseal of Mooney fuel tanks. The RV is a proven airframe/engine combination and the owner could legally do the maintenance. That said, I would buy a Bonanza before an RV and certainly before a Mooney if the budget allowed. Robert RV-6A is a two seat experimental. Whole different category. However, if his mission dictates that, then the RV would be a better choice.
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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 14:57 |
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Joined: 07/12/11 Posts: 1677 Post Likes: +378 Company: Victory 1 Performance Location: Mooresville,NC
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Username Protected wrote: Forget the Mooney.
Change insurance agents. We have some right here on BT. +1
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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 00:29 |
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Joined: 11/25/11 Posts: 9015 Post Likes: +17213 Location: KGNF, Grenada, MS
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I have owned a Bravo, a long body Mooney, for eight years now. It has about as much similarity to a 20C as an A36 does to a Musketeer. I also own a Skylane, the third I have owned over the years.
I absolutely cannot imagine why anyone would consider purchasing a M20C over a Skylane. Speed? I doubt seriously there is 5 knots difference in the airplanes. The room, comfort, safety, reliability, parts availability, and maintainability between the two is so incredibly in favor of the Cessna as to be no comparison. The Skylane will burn about 3 gallons more per hour and engine reserve will be more, but other than that, the Mooney is a distant, not second, 25th to the Skylane.
Other than the long body Ovations, Bravos, and Acclaims, I am not a Mooney fan other than the fact that they are cheap to purchase and for good reason.
Jgreen
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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 11:42 |
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Joined: 12/10/09 Posts: 299 Post Likes: +43 Location: TN and KY
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Username Protected wrote: I absolutely cannot imagine why anyone would consider purchasing a M20C over a Skylane. Jgreen Purchase price quite simply. Cost to buy the thing is as much a budget consideration as owning it. If a guy has a M20C budget he's not looking at a Skylane. Same thing if a guy has an M20C budget he's not looking at a M20J/201. Granted, all this changes if he decides he's willing to change his budget and increase it to accomodate the "better" airplane. To some of us adding 20k to a budget is an enormous jump quite frankly. Why have a budget at all?
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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 11:44 |
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Joined: 03/08/10 Posts: 2297 Post Likes: +245 Location: San Jose, CA (KRHV)
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Username Protected wrote: Forget the Mooney.
Change insurance agents. We have some right here on BT. What he said.  what they said...
_________________ Todd N6005E "G00SE" San Jose, CA KRHV
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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 11:49 |
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Joined: 09/12/11 Posts: 3970 Post Likes: +1826 Company: RPM Aircraft Service Location: Gaithersburg MD KGAI
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Username Protected wrote: I absolutely cannot imagine why anyone would consider purchasing a M20C over a Skylane. Jgreen Purchase price quite simply. Cost to buy the thing is as much a budget consideration as owning it. If a guy has a M20C budget he's not looking at a Skylane. Same thing if a guy has an M20C budget he's not looking at a M20J/201. Granted, all this changes if he decides he's willing to change his budget and increase it to accomodate the "better" airplane. To some of us adding 20k to a budget is an enormous jump quite frankly. Why have a budget at all?
There are good M20Cs out there. The M20E has 20 more HP and can be run LOP, and often are the same price. The fuel savings outweigh an extra 10K in purchase price.
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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 12:00 |
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Joined: 12/29/10 Posts: 1569 Post Likes: +523 Location: Houston, TX USA
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If someone gave me a M20C, I would sell it immediately. If someone gave me a 201, I would fly it for a little while and then sell it. If someone gave me a Rocket, I would have a very hard time giving that up ....
I have time in all 3. In fact, I did my single engine commercial in an old M20C with manual gear and flaps. I became very proficient with the Johnson Bar, but I never grew to like it. Add to that the stupid manual hydraulic flaps, idiotic instrument layout, uncomfortable seating position, poor visibility; should I go on?
Comparing an early Mooney with a 201 for instance is like comparing an A35 with a V35. They might share a type certificate and look similar on the ramp, but are very different airplanes.
_________________ Destroyer of the world’s finest aircraft since 1985.
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Post subject: Re: Can someone help with a ride in a short body mooney? Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 18:19 |
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Joined: 11/25/11 Posts: 9015 Post Likes: +17213 Location: KGNF, Grenada, MS
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Username Protected wrote: I absolutely cannot imagine why anyone would consider purchasing a M20C over a Skylane. Jgreen Purchase price quite simply. Cost to buy the thing is as much a budget consideration as owning it. If a guy has a M20C budget he's not looking at a Skylane. Same thing if a guy has an M20C budget he's not looking at a M20J/201. Granted, all this changes if he decides he's willing to change his budget and increase it to accomodate the "better" airplane. To some of us adding 20k to a budget is an enormous jump quite frankly. Why have a budget at all?
Chris,
I'm not a rich man and yes, I too have budgets; mostly monitored by my very astute CFO/ wife. Still, I just spent two months finding an acceptable Skylane at an acceptable price. There are Skylanes that I passed up. Today, I can put a buyer on a pretty straight '67 Skylane with decent avionics and a 350 hour Western Skyways overhaul for $44,000. It does have some cosmetic hail damage, needs seats recovered, but it flies great. At today's interest rates, the difference in payments on a five year amortization between $30,000 and $45,000 is about $260/month. If that is a show stopper, the buyer had probably better consider another "hobby".
The huge advantage of a Skylane is parts and straight forward maintenance. I'm not saying this for your benefit, I figure you know, but both after market and bone yards are over flowing with parts and a cross eyed mechanic can work on them effectively.
I saw the Skylane in question again yesterday while on a XC with my son at one of our stops. Still there waiting a buyer. If anyone is interested, I'll be happy to give you the contact number.
Jgreen
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