BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2009, 20:42

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No, Hondjet didn't have a booth, they had about an acre of floor space! In the center was THE HondaJet.

Lol,

How does the Honda Jet fit in performance wise? Looks pretty funny with the engines on those stanchions but I guess there are good reasons to do it that way.

Are they producing their own engines or is this standard PW or Williams hardware .

I like my Accord, I wonder whether they would take a trade

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2009, 20:57

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I understand Honda is building their own motors.

Instead of working, I surfed around on the HondaJet site. Looks like the engines are made by 'GE-Hondajet engines'.

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I really like the Hondajet. It has the engines on the wing to reduce the structure that would be invovled with a fusalage attachment.

Those stanchions sit right on top of the main landing gear, another way to save on structures to carry those loads.

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They carved out an incredible standup head for an aircraft so small. The have a 360 view on the website.

And the entire tail section available for luggage.

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It's a shame that all the cool stuff is $3-4 million. It's not exactly hobby material.

I'm still looking for ah, 35 partners to go in on one in the DC area......
:liar:

Out of the entire 'Light Jet' crowd, it is the only one that is a clean-sheet design using innovative design features and technology. Both of the other twin-engine light jets are basically shrunk versions of larger jets. I hope they succeed, as long as they look at everything Eclipse did and do the exact opposite, they should be fine

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2009, 21:42

Username Protected wrote:

I saw this and expected to hear that Jason had slapped down the Platinum Visa...

He wouldn't have any friends if he did.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2009, 21:57

Username Protected wrote:

AS a former Malibu driver, what do you think about the jet props and/or meridians. Normally, I am not a fan of a converted airplane like the jetprop, but there are close to 250 out there now, which is more than some certificated airplanes. Both the meridian and jetprop can do 260+ knots at the mid-thirties fuel burn. Granted you don't want to, but you can also fly them lower if the winds make sense, which is something you cannot do in a twin turboprop (cheaply) or in a jet.

The PC-12 is a beast, but if you are looking for similar capacities as a 58 or 36, the meridian/jetprop seems to make sense.

Plus, you can get the jetprops now in the 600s used.

I know, I know we all hate piper around here, and aside from the malibu I agree...

Don't kill me...

:-)

-jason

I love the Jetprop and its a fine conversion. No you dont fly in the yellow arc but just under. They are fine if operated within their range and limits. HIt any turbulence and just pull back on the power to slow down real fast.
3000 fpm climb low and 2000 fpm up to 20k ft and 1800 easily from 20 to 25k.
Nothing can beat the performance and economy for the price.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 22 Oct 2009, 22:14

Username Protected wrote:

I love the Jetprop and its a fine conversion. No you dont fly in the yellow arc but just under. They are fine if operated within their range and limits. HIt any turbulence and just pull back on the power to slow down real fast.
3000 fpm climb low and 2000 fpm up to 20k ft and 1800 easily from 20 to 25k.
Nothing can beat the performance and economy for the price.

Marc,

Agreed, the Jetprop comes close to the cost per mile of some light twins, at 50kts faster. Lots of performance for the buck... but has limitations....

It could be great for medium range for two folks.....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 00:06

Gotta tell ya fellas,
after crawling in and out of pretty much every VLJ Wednesday, my favorite was the Cirrus!

Unbelievable room inside, loved the cockpit. Sure hope it makes it through the financial woes we're seeing. :cross:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 00:22

Well I can tell you my partner here in mcalester has a Malibu and I sure love his plane. His n number is 46MB. He just got back from new Orleans tues. Flightaware has his last trip. Nice tailwind down hit 298 mph going down.

Local boy here in town just added a 2009 citation mustang to our little airports Repertoire. Sweet plane. I sat in it, nice. I really like malibus but my dream plane is your TN36. I don't think the turbo bonanzas can be beat. I WILL have onewhen my skills dictate I can have one.
Cheers, mark

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 00:51

Was the Piper Jet on hand? Seems like a good balance of cost, size and performance with a good chance of making it to production.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 01:06

Username Protected wrote:

Was the Piper Jet on hand? Seems like a good balance of cost, size and performance with a good chance of making it to production.

It was there. It was locked up though and the window shades pulled down. Looking through the cockpit it was all green metal. Probably one of the certification planes.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 07:07

As for the HondaJet....

My GF was working in the HondJet Booth so I spent a lot of time there. Right now, it has a 600lb payload with full fuel. Full fuel takes you 1100NM if you can climb directly to cruise altitude which you will never be able to do in and out of Atlanta. Plus, it's all plastic. Looks cool but like I said, the Phenom 100 is a better buy.

I also love the CirrusJet. Tons of room and window space. 25000' cruise. But, it was just a mock up. No actual jet there. Who knows if it will ever happen. I'm not holding my breath.

I'll always go back to my SR22 experience. The fractional program of SR22's I was in had lots of low tme SR22's that were all BEAT! They vibrate and rattle. I do not think composite airplanes are built to last like metal airplanes are. Carbon Fiber is strong, but how does it hold up in 10 years of use in the elements? I don't buy into it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 13:59

Just flew back to Atlanta in my Bo and had time to do some comparing to the TBM and the Meridien.

Both the TBM and Meridien are about 4-5 inches wider than my Bo but are also 3-4 inches shorter. They're smaller than I thought.

If you ever get the chance, try climbing into the front from the back in either machine. It's not easy.

If I ever buy a new airplane, it will be the Pilatus.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 14:02

There is no doubt in my mind that is the best solution. Your Bo will do you fine though

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 14:14

pics of the GF or ban! :harhar:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 14:30

Username Protected wrote:

Just flew back to Atlanta in my Bo and had time to do some comparing to the TBM and the Meridien.

Both the TBM and Meridien are about 4-5 inches wider than my Bo but are also 3-4 inches shorter. They're smaller than I thought.

If you ever get the chance, try climbing into the front from the back in either machine. It's not easy.

If I ever buy a new airplane, it will be the Pilatus.

Jason,
When you get ready, PM me and I'll introduce you to a few folks that I know that own/operate and a demo pilot for Pilatus. They can give you good info....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Oct 2009, 14:33

Username Protected wrote:

pics of the GF or ban! :harhar:

You can even post one with an airplane in it... we're not picky!

My VLJ research at the NBAA