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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus Posted: 20 Oct 2011, 08:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just FWIW, Campbell has told me at least twice that he was the test pilot that flew the Cirrus and pulled the chute So, you're saying it was meant to be a demo flight, but Zoom hit the silk? Paul
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus Posted: 20 Oct 2011, 13:13 |
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If the plane suffers structural damage from a ballistic landing, I imagine it could cause broken bones, internal hemoraging too?
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus Posted: 20 Oct 2011, 13:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: If the plane suffers structural damage from a ballistic landing, I imagine it could cause broken bones, internal hemoraging too? I believe that the seats are designed to mitigate this. But people who have pulled the chute have both died and been injured, back injuries being common. My impression is that the deaths occurred when the chute was pulled too late or at too high a speed.
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus Posted: 20 Oct 2011, 14:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: If the plane suffers structural damage from a ballistic landing, I imagine it could cause broken bones, internal hemoraging too? I believe that the seats are designed to mitigate this. But people who have pulled the chute have both died and been injured, back injuries being common. My impression is that the deaths occurred when the chute was pulled too late or at too high a speed.
...or when the plane was on fire.
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus Posted: 21 Oct 2011, 18:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just FWIW, Campbell has told me at least twice that he was the test pilot that flew the Cirrus and pulled the chute So, you're saying it was meant to be a demo flight, but Zoom hit the silk? Paul
I doubt very much Campbell did any of the test flights for Cirrus. Given Campbell's history, anybody that does any business with him deserves whatever happens to them. Sadly many so called 'open minded' readers will believe the garbage he spews forth.This only serves to increase his vile output. Any contrary opinions to his will be threatened with lawsuits.
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus - Aero-News Network [Merged] Posted: 10 Apr 2013, 23:37 |
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Just in case anyone cares. Campbell and ANN on one side and Cirrus on the other have settled their lawsuit. He gave Cirrus the airplane back and everyone pays their own (substantial) lawyers bills. The basic deal was made verbally in front of a court reporter when both Dale Klapmeier and Campbell ended up in the courthouse for a deposition at the same time. Still some sniping going on between the respective attorneys on who has to sign what, they exchanged similar pleasantries at a prior deposition  : Attachment: priceless.JPG
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus - Aero-News Network [Merged] Posted: 11 Apr 2013, 05:38 |
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I don't care if it's all truth or all lies I will never own a Cirrus. I consider the Cirrus a Focus (no offense to FMC) and the Bonanza a Ferrari in looks alone, don't care about the speed or the glass either. I care about the quality, looks and feel of the Bonanza, nothing else comes close. But the Cirrus is another choice and there's nothing wrong with that. Now I feel better, this is BeechTalk BTW. 
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus - Aero-News Network [Merged] Posted: 11 Apr 2013, 06:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't care if it's all truth or all lies I will never own a Cirrus. I consider the Cirrus a Focus (no offense to FMC) and the Bonanza a Ferrari in looks alone, don't care about the speed or the glass either. I care about the quality, looks and feel of the Bonanza, nothing else comes close. You are entitled to your opinion. But the airplane buying public overwhelmingly disagrees with you. By the way, since you've never owned a Cirrus, your opinion is simply your non-owner impression. They're actually nice airplanes. And I, for one, don't see any reason to bash other brands of airplanes ---> general aviation has enough trouble already without us turning to cannibalism around here.
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus - Aero-News Network [Merged] Posted: 11 Apr 2013, 08:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't care if it's all truth or all lies I will never own a Cirrus. I consider the Cirrus a Focus (no offense to FMC) and the Bonanza a Ferrari in looks alone, don't care about the speed or the glass either. I care about the quality, looks and feel of the Bonanza, nothing else comes close. You are entitled to your opinion. But the airplane buying public overwhelmingly disagrees with you. By the way, since you've never owned a Cirrus, your opinion is simply your non-owner impression. They're actually nice airplanes. And I, for one, don't see any reason to bash other brands of airplanes ---> general aviation has enough trouble already without us turning to cannibalism around here. I sold my Mooney Bravo, buyer picked it up yesterday. Want more room and useful load, but by far, the number one reason is that I fly over lots of low IFR and over the Appalachians going to D.C. If I have an engine out over 300' ceilings, I have no outs; much like the couple that got killed last week in N.C.
I'm shopping light twins, but if I don't find what I am looking for, the Cirrus is my fall back. If I were 74 instead of 64, I would consider nothing else. After looking at Cirrus owners and operation now for almost 14 years, the reality and consensus (away from BT) is that they are good airplanes; and yes, I've flown one multiple times.
Bonanzas are, IMO, the world's 2nd best airplane behind the Skylane, but when flying is more than just a hobby and passion, and real world capabilities and operational considerations dominate, brand loyalty becomes a petty consideration.
Funny how when another brand falls from the sky we hear all the chest pounding about Beech quality. When a Bonanza comes apart in turbulence, you could write a text on the rationalizations offered.
Yea, I know, it's Beechtalk
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus - Aero-News Network [Merged] Posted: 11 Apr 2013, 10:06 |
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For those who have owned/flown Cirrus, can you comment on the validity of the following rumors which have been perpetuated about it:
1. Cirrus is difficult to hand fly (e.g. due to lack of manual trim, controls interconnects, etc.)
2. Fit and finish is/was poor, particularly for the earlier models.
3. It does not age gracefully. 5 - 10 year old Cirrus looks like crap, rattles, shakes, and feels like it's about to fall apart.
4. Cirrus' laminar flow wing is very intolerant of icing. Without TKS, you are in a world of hurt if you pick up any ice.
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus - Aero-News Network [Merged] Posted: 11 Apr 2013, 10:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: Bonanzas are, IMO, the world's 2nd best airplane behind the Skylane, What is that southern expression again 'them's fighting words'
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus - Aero-News Network [Merged] Posted: 11 Apr 2013, 10:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: 4. Cirrus' laminar flow wing is very intolerant of icing. Without TKS, you are in a world of hurt if you pick up any ice. Absolutely true.
_________________ Arlen Get your motor runnin' Head out on the highway - Mars Bonfire
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus - Aero-News Network [Merged] Posted: 11 Apr 2013, 11:33 |
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For those that are interested in the Zoomie-Cirrus legal saga, there is a very long and entertaining thread over on POA in the Hangar Talk section. http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/sh ... hp?t=44813It even has copies of the various motions, depositions, etc. that have been filed. Back to your regularly-scheduled Cirrus bashing now. 
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Post subject: Re: Stunning Story about Cirrus - Aero-News Network [Merged] Posted: 11 Apr 2013, 12:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: 4. Cirrus' laminar flow wing is very intolerant of icing. Without TKS, you are in a world of hurt if you pick up any ice. Absolutely true.
+1 agree with Arlen.
You really have to fly the sidestick to realize how comfortable and natural that can feel.
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