Hmmmm.

I have a certain professional license and an FAA pilot license -- I feel so left out!

Regarding idiot pilots. I'm not willing to castigate any specific group of owners / operators. Rather, it seems to me to be a generic type of pilot, brand independent. I believe it's the training and/or awareness of the pilot that's to blame.

As I sit here and read these examples of bone-headedness, I wonder how and when I learned right from wrong. Things like prop blast courtesy or traffic pattern decorum.

I "grew up" in a flying club. Lots of 18 to 20-something flyers. The social competition was fierce. The weak were culled from the elite pretty darn quick. Any screw up at the field was eagerly pointed out by all the other kids, and God forbid, by one of the older mentors. You only made a mistake ONCE!

Today, the club houses have been replaced with barbed wire fences. Security badges instead of old ratty couches. The whole environment had changed. And so with it, the atmosphere. The peer and camaraderie atmosphere has gone. It's now hurry up, do your business efficiently, and leave. The new flyer today is the guy wealthy enough to buy into today's aviation. Today's ab inito student has probably learned a life of "time matters" and "me first". And perhaps that's related to the issues we see becoming more frequent.

Hopefully places like Beechtalk will serve as the new clubhouses to teach neophytes the rules of the road.

Lol, considering some of the recent shouting matches, that sounds about right.

"I had this discussion a while ago, only 3 of the reports I pulled at the time mentioned 'spin', ..."

1) The video looks like a pretty normal spin entry for a high performance single engine aircraft. They all look like that. Even a C 150.

2) A coupl of years ago, I was flying with a truly impressively experienced pilot. Lots of high performance Bonanza time. And some time others of us can only dream about. He had never flown a Cirrus. He was flying mine. I was absolutely "relaxed" on final. After all, the pilot was a highly experienced high performance pilot. Then I noticed he was flying the airplane at his normal speeds for a light weight Bonanza. I came out of my "sleep" and suggested that 4 or 5 knots more would make me happy and get us both to the runway.

It is easy for very experienced pilots to confuse a "fixed gear" Cirrus with a C 182.

And try to fly them that way.

Regards, George

I call BS to this. Arlen, I was heavily invested in the plane that used to get beat up by Cirrus drivers. By this I mean it was like a child which more or less made me an over protective mother. Regardless, spending every hour when I wasn't at work or sleeping for 3 1/2 years in my garage building my airplane brought with it a bond or attachment that left me very protective of it. I did become cognizant to the fact that every time I leaped from our booth in an airport restaurant to run to the rescue there was a Cirrus beating up my airplane out on the ramp. If you haven't experienced this good on you. Playing the PC card will not change the fact that I have experienced this, and also that the trend has been verified with hanger blastings. I'll continue to scream this from the rooftop of my hanger if I choose. Sheeeeesh! I was curious if others had noticed this. If not, that's a good thing. Maybe these were somehow local in nature or aimed at RV's for some reason which would make the bad behavior intentional. This I don't believe though. I think it was just poor judgement.

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I am a neophyte. What are the rules?

Bryan,

Many Cirrus owners buy the plane as their first.

Many of them have very little experience in flying.

Many of them don't care anything about flying, but consider the Cirrus a "flying car," and they don't get into airport talk, spend time with other pilots, or learn the etiquette of ground operations.

Clearly, some Cirrus pilots are very good, very experienced, and very considerate. It's just that the way the plane were marketed, it attracted a lot of buyers who didn't know anything about flying.

This *may* contribute to the experiences you had.

I am a neophyte. What are the rules?[/quote]


Remember that the wind made by the big fan on the front of your plane goes behind you. Know what is behind you.

Your prop wash can damage airplanes. It can ding very expensive paint jobs. It can make a mess (throw dirt and grime into them) of open hangars.

Be aware of where the tail of your plane is pointed.

If you are parked on a line of planes, give the engine a shot of power to get it moving, but before you turn (thus pointing your prop wash at others), pull the power all the way back and coast around the turn. Apply power when you are pointed parallel to the line of planes.

Just one item, for starters.

All of us with planes on the ramp thank you for asking.

You are probably right. In fact your response makes a lot of sense.

Absolutely
Nail hit on the head right there

Bryan,
I'm sorry if I struck a nerve here, and sorry that anyone treated you and your plane that way. Inexcusable...

Bryan,
I'm sorry if I struck a nerve here, and sorry that anyone treated you and your plane that way. Inexcusable...

I prefer skiing to snowboarding. Snowboarders don't know what they're doing. They're rude too.

I wasn't looking to notice jerky Cirrus drivers, I just noticed jerks and then noted that they all were driving Cirrus.

But I certainly agree that snowboarders are just too scared to ski like men.

The reason I don't snowboard is after all those dues I paid on two boards, I don't want to have to repeat it on one. Otherwise, I'd probaly be a boarder who thinks skiers are hopelessly mired in the past.

Steve Chatfield
Short hair, long skis, steam guages,_ _ _