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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 28 Jan 2026, 15:23 |
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Joined: 05/06/13 Posts: 1924 Post Likes: +1259 Location: DeLand, Florida KDED
Aircraft: 1984 A36 (TAT TN)
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Username Protected wrote: Of course your annuals are cheap, you've had the plane since new essentially, there's very little to catch up on. Real true catchup maintenance takes a decade or more for most owners on most planes I'd wager as no one wants to spend the full purchase price the first year to get it all done at once. The first annual after purchase will be higher as you catch up on deferred maintenance , and also fix things to make it the way you want it. However, it shouldn't take 10 years to catch up, maybe 2 or 3 at most. At which point you would have a very reliable plane and good dispatch rates, as long as you keep up on routine maintenance. At least that has been my experience. The biggest issue is the upgrades that you might be tempted to do...things you don't need, but you want!
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 28 Jan 2026, 16:26 |
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Joined: 11/12/18 Posts: 561 Post Likes: +630
Aircraft: P35, Pitts S1S
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Username Protected wrote: 2) If you move from a you-maintained RV-10 to a mechanic-maintained, 40-year-old A36, be prepared for your maintenance costs to triple or more. I don’t understand comments like this. I suppose it’s because our experiences are quite diverse. My December annual cost $4,200 and it was typical. We added some nitrogen to the main gear struts, replaced the TAT TN V band clamp on the exhaust and a couple other minor tweaks. I had previously bought the clamp from TAT (they run about $450) so that wasn’t included
Well not the poster but he said OWNER maintained vs MECHANIC maintained costs on an old Bonanza.
You said your last annual was 4,200 dollars. If you could do the condition inspection that would have saved you 4,200 last year. (You didn't include your TAT clamp in the 4,200 number either).
And time/age has some costs. I replaced my interior that was 60 years old which I would not have done if it was only 10 years old. I needed an OH on my prop, but since it was so old and a C23 it was advised to just buy a new C223 and that cost more than an OH. At some point I'll need to paint the plane since it was last painted 35 years ago and not 10-15 years ago... I could go on. It costs money to keep these older planes in good shape that you don't need to spend on 10 year old planes, IMO.
But the big difference is experiential you built and can work on and inspect vs paying an A&P/IA.
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 28 Jan 2026, 19:43 |
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Joined: 02/21/11 Posts: 851 Post Likes: +1125 Location: Northside of Atlanta
Aircraft: RV-6 & RV-10
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone have experience with and RV-10 that now flys a Bo? Considering selling the RV-10 and buying an A36 for the six seats or possibly an F33A for the slightly higher speed and optional 5 seats. Anybody been down this road? Frank I can see the A36 if you need the seats or useful load. The F33A seems like a reach to me. Is there really a speed difference? I know my -10 is 165 knots at 11.X GPH all day long. That's 57% power(ish). I could go faster with more fuel burn. As far as seating goes, there is an option to make the RV-10 a 5 seater, but there had better be a kid in that mix. Kinda like the F33A in that regard. Now, some F33A's have higher useful loads than the RV-10, which could be advantageous. Also, the Beech can hold more fuel, but probably burns more to go the same distance at the same speed, so the impact is somewhat mitigated. And as has been pointed out, the maintenance on the RV will be less expensive than on the Bo. Why? Fewer systems. No gear swings. Less expensive parts. Cheaper avionics upgrades. Lycoming engine versus Continental. So, I fully get the A36 if it better fits your mission, but don't see the F33A as an upgrade, or even if it is a minor upgrade, the difference probably isn't worth the hassle of selling one airplane, then buying another and bring it up to your standard.
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 28 Jan 2026, 20:06 |
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Joined: 01/23/13 Posts: 9554 Post Likes: +7242 Company: Kokotele Guitar Works Location: Albany, NY
Aircraft: C-182RG, C-172, PA28
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Username Protected wrote: I don't hate the RV-10 but it's definitely a TEMU Cirrus compared to a Bonanza. (I've kind of thought the same thing. I like the plane a lot, but it definitely has a feeling of a plane that's imitating the grownups.)
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 28 Jan 2026, 20:52 |
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Joined: 02/21/11 Posts: 851 Post Likes: +1125 Location: Northside of Atlanta
Aircraft: RV-6 & RV-10
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Username Protected wrote: I don't hate the RV-10 but it's definitely a TEMU Cirrus compared to a Bonanza. (I've kind of thought the same thing. I like the plane a lot, but it definitely has a feeling of a plane that's imitating the grownups.)
At least it doesn't look like a clown car when everyone piles in or out.
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 29 Jan 2026, 12:32 |
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Joined: 08/12/08 Posts: 7932 Post Likes: +2586 Company: Retired Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Aircraft: '76 A36 TAT TN 550
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Username Protected wrote: I'll assume that includes squawks, and the base inspection is probably on the order of $2000. An owner-performed condition inspection of an RV-10 will have a base rate of about $200 for oil, filter, lube, etc. The base inspection takes 24 hours and his rate is $150/hour so $3,600 is the inspection and the rest was for “squawks”. I do my own oil changes. In the inspection price he includes swinging and adjusting the gear (if needed), all lubrication items except the oil change, checking the timing on the mags, cleaning and gapping the plugs, etc., etc. He’s been taking care of my ‘76 A36 Bonanza since ‘91 or ‘92 so it’s an understatement to say he knows the aircraft well. Nearly every thing that’s been done he did himself. I opt for permanent fixes when appropriate. For example in the late 90’s I had him install the Spacecraft Machine Products rudder brackets which permanently solves the issue where the original design might develop cracks. We’ve always had a deal - zero deferral of safety related items - if he says it needs it we do it - but I get to choose timing on cosmetic items. One year at annual he told me “this is the last year I will approve these windows” referring primarily to the windshield and the emergency exit windows. He didn’t want to handle the replacement either. So I called Jim Klug at DBM and got on his calendar to replace them all. I don’t understand when I see people having annuals with costs in the $10k and up range year after year. Makes me wonder what all is being done. BTW I owner assist on annuals as much as he will allow. It’s a small shop and an extra set of hands can help. When we retired our old IO-520-BA at roughly 1,650 SMOH due to a crankcase crack I ordered a factory reman IO-550-B from Continental. It’s a big job to replace the engine. He told me to take a week off work and help him perform the R&R. I did and learned a lot in the process. I suppose my point is we don’t skimp on maintenance. We want our aircraft safe and given proper care. Cosmetics? Yes, I’d like to get it painted and we redid the interior in 2003 but it’s starting to show signs of wear. But she flies as good as ever and with the TAT TN 550 performs better than ever. What’s not to like? 
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 30 Jan 2026, 11:09 |
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Joined: 04/18/21 Posts: 246 Post Likes: +215 Company: Dan Dicker Location: Shirley, NY (KHWV)
Aircraft: 1963 Bonanza P35
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I'm fascinated why the OP is interested in moving towards an bonanza.
I've thought about moving next from a bonanza to an RV-10 - although I have limited experience in RV's and zero in the -10, like the OP has limited experience in bonanzas.
Is it a 'grass is greener' thing going on? Objectively, I think I see the pros and cons of the choice between the two, An RV-10 and A36 will be pretty equally capable in load, speed and range. I think mx costs will be obviously more for the Bo, but hell, this is aviation, they call it an AMU for a reason. And I also think in terms of flying characteristics and cool factor, the bonanza has no equal, although many prefer the lighter, aerobatic feel of the RV's. Plenty of good reasons to choose either one, but they're not light years away from each other either.
I just find it fascinating that pilots are seemingly always looking for the 'next' airplane. Like, ALWAYS. Including me, and I couldn't be happier with my P35. It is completely sorted, reliable, fast, comfortable and cool AF to fly.
I've been riding motorcycles for around 40 years. I've owned 14 motorcycles in that time, and except for one bike, not one of them was 'bad'. Yet there always came a day when i just needed to look at a different dashboard.
Boys need new toys - the next machine to master, upgrade, and personalize.
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 31 Jan 2026, 00:05 |
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Serious RV-10 question, I've never ridden in one. I have ridden in RV-6, and 7 I got the impression that the 6 and 7 were very lightly constructed. IE if you just plopped you 220lb self in the seat you might bend something. IS the RV-10 more soldily built? or doe it have the same feel? My Travel Air and My Aerostar and My Cessnas all felt more solid than the RV6,7.
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 31 Jan 2026, 20:18 |
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Joined: 02/13/10 Posts: 20456 Post Likes: +25742 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
Aircraft: Prior C310,BE33,SR22
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Username Protected wrote: While it is well-known an A36 is not a true six-place airplane, it’s important to remember that space equals luxury. Four people in an A36 is much more comfortable than an RV10 and, I believe, a Cirrus. The RV 10 and Cirrus cabin widths are 6 inches and 7 inches wider, respectively, than the A36 cabin.
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 31 Jan 2026, 20:35 |
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Joined: 02/21/11 Posts: 851 Post Likes: +1125 Location: Northside of Atlanta
Aircraft: RV-6 & RV-10
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Username Protected wrote: After taking a look at the RV 10 website I don’t think it has much in common with an A36 Bonanza.
I can (and have) carried 5 adults, overnight luggage and full fuel in mine. Or 3 adults and 2 children countless times. Plus luggage, full fuel, etc. Yep. The -10 can be a 4 person aircraft, but it ain't an A36. With 4 people in the 10, you've gotta be economical with the bags. Fuel too. An A36 gives 200+ more pounds of useful load, which really matters.
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 01 Feb 2026, 11:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: The RV 10 and Cirrus cabin widths are 6 inches and 7 inches wider, respectively, than the A36 cabin. For the passengers sitting in the back, one looking forward the other aft, elbow room is considerably more with an empty seat next to them. Space=luxury. Why do wealthy people buy large-cabin jets? Not because they’re going to cram the cabin full of people.
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 02 Feb 2026, 12:09 |
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Joined: 02/09/09 Posts: 6651 Post Likes: +3349 Company: RNP Aviation Services Location: Owosso, MI (KRNP)
Aircraft: 1969 Bonanza V35A
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Username Protected wrote: The deal breaker for me is the annual cost. Sounds like a $10k annual is a good deal in the A36 world and the average is closer to $20k. I bet most RV-10 annuals are under $5k with upgrades. $15k buys a lot of AvGas… I've paid less than that for the last two annuals on my C-414 at a high quality shop! Last year was the first time they seen the airplane.
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Post subject: Re: Considering trading my rv-10 for an F33a or A36 Posted: 02 Feb 2026, 12:22 |
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Joined: 12/13/07 Posts: 20750 Post Likes: +10903 Location: Seeley Lake, MT (23S)
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Username Protected wrote: I don’t understand when I see people having annuals with costs in the $10k and up range year after year. Makes me wonder what all is being done.
If you are paying $10K per year for the annual you are also having a lot of other work being done other than the annual. That brings me to question of what else are you having done? I have things done as well and I'm averaging about $2,500 a year out the door cost over the 20 years I've owned it. I do not owner assist, I drop it off and pick it up when done. You want to spend $10K a year on annuals buy a Cirrus.
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