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Post subject: Re: 210 gear saddles Posted: 13 Nov 2025, 17:27 |
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Joined: 12/25/22 Posts: 530 Post Likes: +756 Location: KLFT
Aircraft: 1981 T210N
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Username Protected wrote: If you don't mind (and I apologize for the thread drift), could you share what you estimate the real world operating cost savings would be for a 182RG vs 182? I'm seeing if the time saving of the RG is worth the cost saving. I've owned a 2000 182S (Lycoming IO-540, 235hp) that was well maintained before my purchase and throughout my ownership. I replaced an alternator and a vacuum pump, tires and tubes in 2.5 years/322hrs. Annuals were $1600? plus any minor discrepancy/oil change etc. I cruised at 141-143kts at 8,000-10,000'/13.2-13.6gph. The club 1981 T182RG in same hangar as mine had annuals that were $2400, IIRC, plus discrepancies...of which there were many (expected on an older aircraft but the pricy ones were related to the gear system). The engine was higher time than mine, and a bit tired, and the cruise was around 130-135 at 6,000'. It was not as well maintained as my 182 in that they did not repair discrepancies unless it was an airworthiness issue, it seemed. In my comparison, I was way ahead with a restart FG 182 in operational costs and at least as fast, but usually faster, in cruise. A T182RG, in top condition, at 10,000 should cruise closer to 150kts TAS in standard conditions but it would not be faster enough on my trips to justify the increased maintenance and reduced dispatch reliability.
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Post subject: Re: 210 gear saddles Posted: 13 Nov 2025, 23:32 |
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Joined: 04/19/17 Posts: 52 Post Likes: +82
Aircraft: V35
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I owned a 79 TR182 for 9 years and about 700 hours. I consistently trued 160KTS at 8-10K and would see an honest 170KTAS at 15K. This was at a relaxed power setting of 23-23 which was about 65% power. It was a great airplane with low maintenance requirements. You could literally load it back to front and still be in CG. Not a Bonanza but a very honest, solid bird.
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Post subject: Re: 210 gear saddles Posted: 14 Nov 2025, 00:33 |
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Joined: 12/25/22 Posts: 530 Post Likes: +756 Location: KLFT
Aircraft: 1981 T210N
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Username Protected wrote: I don’t know what the book says for a TR182, but it’s gotta be faster than that. Top TAS for the NA model is 156 kn on a standard day. I can’t remember if that’s at 8000 or 10,000, but I see speeds close to that.
If that plane was only doing 150 kn true on a standard day, either they pulled the power back or that engine was pretty wheezy. I didn’t fly it but those that did said the engine was a bit tired.
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Post subject: Re: 210 gear saddles Posted: 14 Nov 2025, 15:12 |
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Joined: 07/23/15 Posts: 66 Post Likes: +87 Location: West Bend, WI (KETB)
Aircraft: Cessna 170A
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Username Protected wrote: I'm trying to make the case that we should replace the R182 with a 1984-86 206, mostly because I'm worried about the cost of powerpacks and actuators in 10 years. People have the impression that the 206 is an expensive plane to operate, but I think that it's only marginally more expensive than a straight leg 182. It burns about 10% more fuel and engine overhaul costs about 10% more than an O-470.
Some in the club keep arguing that insurance will be prohibitive, but we haven't gotten a quote so I don't know if that's accurate. I talked to Avemco about a 206. They said they can't insure me for 6 seats, but if I take one seat out I'll be fine. I'll probably fly with just four seats and a lot of cargo room. Insurance is higher, but proportional to the higher hull value vs my 170.
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Post subject: Re: 210 gear saddles Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 08:06 |
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Joined: 11/11/14 Posts: 56 Post Likes: +50 Location: 7TX4 - Hillcrest / Ft. Worth TX
Aircraft: C182SQ, EA-200
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Username Protected wrote: I love the plane too, but cost of operating it has gotten high enough that I think we’re going to sell it and replace it with a fixed gear plane in a year or two. I've spent the last few years trying to decide if I was right or not thinking along the same lines.. as I entertained the idea of selling my 182Q and getting an RG. I ultimately decided that keeping it simple was the best way to go. With the above in mind, I decided to work with my airplane to make it as fast as an RG.. it's been some work and investment, but works super well...(155 KTAS) We call it the "Super Q" 
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Post subject: Re: 210 gear saddles Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 08:54 |
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Joined: 01/23/13 Posts: 9496 Post Likes: +7190 Company: Kokotele Guitar Works Location: Albany, NY
Aircraft: C-182RG, C-172, PA28
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Username Protected wrote: With the above in mind, I decided to work with my airplane to make it as fast as an RG.. it's been some work and investment, but works super well...(155 KTAS) We call it the "Super Q"  Whoa. That's impressive! And you get a big more cargo room than the RG. What all did you have to do to get that extra speed? That's close to 20 knots over the standard Q, right?
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Post subject: Re: 210 gear saddles Posted: 15 Nov 2025, 11:15 |
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Joined: 11/11/14 Posts: 56 Post Likes: +50 Location: 7TX4 - Hillcrest / Ft. Worth TX
Aircraft: C182SQ, EA-200
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Username Protected wrote: With the above in mind, I decided to work with my airplane to make it as fast as an RG.. it's been some work and investment, but works super well...(155 KTAS) We call it the "Super Q"  Whoa. That's impressive! And you get a big more cargo room than the RG. What all did you have to do to get that extra speed? That's close to 20 knots over the standard Q, right?
- Texas Skyways O-470/TS (252hp) - 2 Blade MT Prop - Powerflow Exhaust - Flap Gap Seals - Aileron Gap Seals - Belly Fairing - Blade / Low drag antenna's - Exhaust Fairings - K2U Nosegear Speed Fairing - Donaldson Air Filter
My typical flight profile is 700fpm @ 110 KIAS to 4-5K, then 500fpm @ 100 KIAS, level at 9-11K,.. 152-155 TAS. You're right- I think that it's pretty close to 20 knots over the standard 182Q. I've had some fun with it- ATC gets really confused when they see me clipping along as fast as I do.. most guys will ask me type aircraft because they think it's an RG or a C210 that was entered in error.
I keep my eyes open, but I haven't found a faster 182 with a O470 on it anywhere so far..
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Post subject: Re: 210 gear saddles Posted: 19 Nov 2025, 23:46 |
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Joined: 10/05/18 Posts: 40 Post Likes: +18
Aircraft: Cessna 172
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John I had a new saddle ordered for a 210G 2 years ago and Cessna wanted $7k , the owner gulped and said OK. Wentworth found a used new style right after I ordered and Cessna let me cancel the order. Don't remember which side but the other one was $6k. Good luck finding one, I called about 30 sources and no one had any. Alan
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