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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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Friend has the cies sensors and gi 275 I believe? Tail wheel plane. How do you accommodate the low indication at rest and higher in flight attitude?

Seems prudent to do the 10 gallons just in case and then we have more on board than required


Nope. Sometimes having 60 extra lbs is what you don’t want. Like these two strips.
Knowing precisely what you have means you don’t need to carry tons of extra “prudence” gas.
I still land back home with 10-15 gallons.





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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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left cap was dangling when i landed. i didn’t fuel it. my home base fbo did. i will take the blame. i have had this happen 4.times. Caught it three times.

This is very dangerous. The CiES system is amazingly accurate. The EIS totalizer is as well. Had nearly full tanks. Two hours later i had 15 gallons. i had no idea the a missing fuel cap could cause this issue. The fact that during flight had 0 fuel made me think the sensor was wrong. Ii didn’t detect and left rolling tendencies either.

i really talked myself into an indication error. But it wasn’t. It could have really had a bad outcome. I had a retired NFL player who lives on my lake aboard as well.

This picture is a pretty definitive indication that the left fuel cap has an issue.

How many knew that? seriously?


I’m surprised that the bladder didn’t get sucked up and give you a false indication!
Or maybe I’m a dummy and your 185 doesn’t have bladders?

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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left cap was dangling when i landed. i didn’t fuel it. my home base fbo did. i will take the blame. i have had this happen 4.times. Caught it three times.

This is very dangerous. The CiES system is amazingly accurate. The EIS totalizer is as well. Had nearly full tanks. Two hours later i had 15 gallons. i had no idea the a missing fuel cap could cause this issue. The fact that during flight had 0 fuel made me think the sensor was wrong. Ii didn’t detect and left rolling tendencies either.

i really talked myself into an indication error. But it wasn’t. It could have really had a bad outcome. I had a retired NFL player who lives on my lake aboard as well.

This picture is a pretty definitive indication that the left fuel cap has an issue.

How many knew that? seriously?


I’m surprised that the bladder didn’t get sucked up and give you a false indication!
Or maybe I’m a dummy and your 185 doesn’t have bladders?

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Skywagon
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New problem:
As of today, my trim won't roll nose up. It'll go forward, but not back. I can roll it back a little, but it just feels like it's taking up slack and nothing moves. There's no vertical or horizontal play on the horizontal stabs.

We took all of the inspection covers off and looked at everything visible forward of the aft-most bulkhead, and under the access panel underneath the jackscrews. Nothing abnormal.

Unfortunately, it's stuck at the home field and I'm forced to use the talent I have available, which isn't especially Skywagon expertise.

I've talked to a couple of experienced pilots and owners, and they both think it's likely related to crud on the jackscrews or bushings. They suggested I simply pull the tail off and clean and re-lube the jackscrews. I'd rather not. And I'd really rather not replace the jackscrews, as the kit for that is $2662 from McFarlane.

Before I embark on this tail removal and reinstallation, is there something else I should look at? I don't think it's the trim wheel. When that famously-failing pin goes, the wheel spins freely without moving the stabilizer. The chains, cables, pulleys and turnbuckles all look normal, as does the course of the cables (that is, it doesn't look like anything has jumped a pulley).

And since it's stuck at home, can you recommend someone who might be willing to come here and take care of it? My local A&P has a medical situation that makes it so he wouldn't be able to do it without my help. Given the option, I'd rather have someone else do it while I went to work and earned money to pay him.


Probably solved by now. I once had a similar problem. It was not long after a seat track replacement. Took up the floor covers and found a rivet head lodged in the chain.

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Probably solved by now. I once had a similar problem. It was not long after a seat track replacement. Took up the floor covers and found a rivet head lodged in the chain.

Good luck!

Thanks. It's semi-solved. Sparing everyone the details, we found that it did indeed have crud on one of the jackscrews. We got it cleaned up enough to fly it to the shop, where it's getting the tail AD repeated and both jackscrews overhauled vs replaced. Everything forward of that was fine.

Boy, what an experience it was to inspect the whole trim system from one end to the other. There are a lot of parts and covers between that and the outside. I'd been thinking of getting an A&P*, but my enthusiasm is cooling.





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