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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1963 BE35-B33 Debonair
PostPosted: 22 Apr 2025, 15:02 
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One more thing.

I think you are taking the thing that I really value about your airplane and destroying it.

Instead of fearing a lawsuit, I'd be championing that I overhauled that engine correctly, I'd be giving them receipts showing every new thing I bought for it, providing the certs that the reused parts were properly inspected and signed off, and then summarizing that 7XX hours of trouble free operation prove I did it right.

What the buyer is going to get now, is, an IRAN or overhaul, and be into the plane for a minimum of 130k, and waiting at least 4 to 6 months before they can fly it away. Once that's done, now they have to address the original paint and interior, and the avionics. Plus they have to break in a new engine, and deal with the mortality concerns.

I don't think the above puts the best sales face on your airplane. Based on your pedigree and the love you have to have for something to maintain it for 48 years, I betcha it's a damn good airplane. But, for me at least, you're taking the really good parts away on a fear you can't eliminate effectively.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1963 BE35-B33 Debonair
PostPosted: 22 Apr 2025, 16:20 
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Don’t most insurance policies cover liability for 12 months after a sale?

You could lean on that, and by the time the coverage lapses, there will be one more IA’s signature in the logbook. Or it would be out of annual, in which case that would be a bigger black eye for a theoretical plaintiff than the signature from the engine overhaul.


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1963 BE35-B33 Debonair
PostPosted: 23 Apr 2025, 13:26 
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So much for the "No Stomping" rule...

Lots of keyboard warriors here telling someone (that they don't know personally) what risk profile he should/shouldn't have.

We all have our own risk profiles when it comes to flying, what minimums to fly at, etc... this is no different. Would you want other beechtalkers telling you to take more risk (or perceived risk) flying than you're comfortable with? Of course not. You don't have to agree with him, but let the man advertise his plane in the way he sees fit. It either sells or doesn't.

What does everyone gain from criticizing someone else's risk tolerance?


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1963 BE35-B33 Debonair
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So much for the "No Stomping" rule...

Lots of keyboard warriors here telling someone (that they don't know personally) what risk profile he should/shouldn't have.

We all have our own risk profiles when it comes to flying, what minimums to fly at, etc... this is no different. Would you want other beechtalkers telling you to take more risk (or perceived risk) flying than you're comfortable with? Of course not. You don't have to agree with him, but let the man advertise his plane in the way he sees fit. It either sells or doesn't.

What does everyone gain from criticizing someone else's risk tolerance?

Totally agree. I see nothing nefarious or deceptive on Richard's offering, I think he's been perfectly clear WRT his reasoning and what he's selling.

I started the related thread in PlaneTalk about this unusual kind of selling requirement hoping it would pull the criticisms away from this one. Some folks just can't help themselves when they see "something wrong" on the internet.

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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1963 BE35-B33 Debonair
PostPosted: 23 Apr 2025, 14:25 
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So much for the "No Stomping" rule...

Lots of keyboard warriors here telling someone (that they don't know personally) what risk profile he should/shouldn't have.

We all have our own risk profiles when it comes to flying, what minimums to fly at, etc... this is no different. Would you want other beechtalkers telling you to take more risk (or perceived risk) flying than you're comfortable with? Of course not. You don't have to agree with him, but let the man advertise his plane in the way he sees fit. It either sells or doesn't.

What does everyone gain from criticizing someone else's risk tolerance?


Good post Taylor! Wow, I really got the henhouse going on this one. Didn't know we had so many technical experts able to pass judgement on an aircraft they know nothing about, beyond my brief description, or perhaps we have an audience composed of those who would purchase a motor vehicle etc. on their cellphone because 'they're all the same'. I'm in no rush to sell and will revise my program as necessary. Meanwhile, if someone has a genuine interest and actually knows aircraft, contact me. Engines come and go, airframes are the aircraft's soul. But of course we all know that?


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1963 BE35-B33 Debonair
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Why don't you just advertise the airplane with NO engine then? This is hands down the weirdest selling contingency I've ever seen.



It's already priced essentially that way. I would otherwise be asking $130-135K. How many aircraft do you know of flown and maintained by the same qualified individual for (48) years? Most change hands regularly and at any rate receive varied quality maintenance, ranging from superior to lousy. Aircraft not enjoying owner participation from a capable and motivated individual are, for the most part, undermaintained. Our aircraft are complex and require quality maintenance accordingly. I'll match this airframe against anything half its age. It rates perhaps one out of hundreds, or better. For those with a genuine interest, phone me for some elaboration on maintenance issues. I could write a book, but conversation works better.


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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1963 BE35-B33 Debonair
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Username Protected wrote:
So much for the "No Stomping" rule...

Lots of keyboard warriors here telling someone (that they don't know personally) what risk profile he should/shouldn't have.

We all have our own risk profiles when it comes to flying, what minimums to fly at, etc... this is no different. Would you want other beechtalkers telling you to take more risk (or perceived risk) flying than you're comfortable with? Of course not. You don't have to agree with him, but let the man advertise his plane in the way he sees fit. It either sells or doesn't.

What does everyone gain from criticizing someone else's risk tolerance?


Good post Taylor! Wow, I really got the henhouse going on this one. Didn't know we had so many technical experts able to pass judgement on an aircraft they know nothing about, beyond my brief description, or perhaps we have an audience composed of those who would purchase a motor vehicle etc. on their cellphone because 'they're all the same'. I'm in no rush to sell and will revise my program as necessary. Meanwhile, if someone has a genuine interest and actually knows aircraft, contact me. Engines come and go, airframes are the aircraft's soul. But of course we all know that?


Avemco offers liability insurance for protection against the liability you're worried about.
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 Post subject: Re: FS: 1963 BE35-B33 Debonair
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Good post Taylor! Wow, I really got the henhouse going on this one. Didn't know we had so many technical experts able to pass judgement on an aircraft they know nothing about, beyond my brief description, or perhaps we have an audience composed of those who would purchase a motor vehicle etc. on their cellphone because 'they're all the same'. I'm in no rush to sell and will revise my program as necessary. Meanwhile, if someone has a genuine interest and actually knows aircraft, contact me. Engines come and go, airframes are the aircraft's soul. But of course we all know that?


Avemco offers liability insurance for protection against the liability you're worried about.

Is that a one time premium covering a single aircraft forever or would you end up paying annually for as long as you want protection?
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Avemco offers liability insurance for protection against the liability you're worried about.[/quote]
Is that a one time premium covering a single aircraft forever or would you end up paying annually for as long as you want protection?[/quote]

I believe it’s only for a certain amount of time. I’ve only owned one plane, last 20 years and not selling it right now, but I have seen them advertise that Insurance liability coverage after selling a plane.

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