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 Post subject: Re: cessna 182 vs 206
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Edit: My hangar neighbor with a 210 says the gear saddles are becoming as rare as hen's teeth because they aren't being made anymore, and there is some hoarding going on.

Gear saddle scarcity is only a concern on the early models. Mid/later models have easily sourced saddle shells that require infrequent replacement, very infrequent if the gear is maintained in proper adjustment.

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 Post subject: Re: cessna 182 vs 206
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I have seen one particular 206 load 2 motorcycles (250s) in the cargo area (seats removed).

The only reason I never put two motorcycles in the back of a 206 was because I only owned one (one motorcycle, and one 206.)

After I put the single motorcycle in, there was plenty of room for 4 weeks' worth of northern gear for two people.


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Edit: My hangar neighbor with a 210 says the gear saddles are becoming as rare as hen's teeth because they aren't being made anymore, and there is some hoarding going on.


The 1960 Cessna 210 and the 1961 Cessna 210A have time life limited saddles at 1000 hours

The remainder of the saddles up to the 1969 Model Year 210J are on condition.

Subsequent models are done differently and the problem goes away.

The saddles used to be about $800 - $1200 the last time I bought one quite a while ago. I bet they are 4 times that now.


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Edit: My hangar neighbor with a 210 says the gear saddles are becoming as rare as hen's teeth because they aren't being made anymore, and there is some hoarding going on.


The 1960 Cessna 210 and the 1961 Cessna 210A have time life limited saddles at 1000 hours

The remainder of the saddles up to the 1969 Model Year 210J are on condition.

Subsequent models are done differently and the problem goes away.

The saddles used to be about $800 - $1200 the last time I bought one quite a while ago. I bet they are 4 times that now.

I wish they were only 4 times that price! Cessna apparently manufactures a few saddles and sets a price. That price stays the same until they manufacture some more and they get a massive price jump. The saddles for a 1960 or 1961 210 were $45/each when the AD came out in I believe 1976. The first time I bought them, I gave around $300/each. The current price on the 1241004-1 saddle is $3,510.63. The other saddle, 1241004-2 is $8,883.89

I am starting to think I will scrap out a perfectly good 210 when the saddles come due next time. I fly my 210 to Oshkosh every year and would go anywhere in it. We got an AMOC approved but they only gave us 25 hours between eddy current inspections. I just put two new cylinders on, installed a new ADSB transponder, had the prop governor overhauled, and had the radios tuned up. I must be out of my mind.
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It looks like maybe my hangar neighbor with his 210M has been misinformed on the gear saddles and I have passed on inaccurate info. He's going to buy a couple for spares; maybe that's not necessary. Are the carry through spars still readily available?


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I needed saddles for my 177rg. Rather than the Cessna saddles my mechanic had an engineering order (I think similar to your 337) prepared for metal replacement saddles, and had them manufactured. He had gone down that road before. They were not particularly expensive.


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If I was in charge of Textron/Cessna piston singles, I would put the 210 cantilever wing on the 206 and find some aerodynamic modifications to make it as fast as possible. Then I’d market it against Cirrus as a six-place, load-hauling beast with decent speed. Screw the parachute.

And in honor of the 421, I’d call it the model 221 “Condor”.

I’m a freakin’ genius. :duck:

Cessna was somewhat on track with your first part with the Cessna NGP. But then they bought Columbia instead. And seemingly screwed that up.

It would have been cool if the NGP was fully developed and Columbia still existed. Granted in hindsight sight, the 2008 recession shortly thereafter probably would have killed both anyway.


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It looks like maybe my hangar neighbor with his 210M has been misinformed on the gear saddles and I have passed on inaccurate info. He's going to buy a couple for spares; maybe that's not necessary. Are the carry through spars still readily available?

In the M model, the gear saddles are lined with a replaceable shell lined with polyurethane layer. The polyurethane liner will wear, particularly if the gear is not rigged/adjusted properly. This liner can be field replaced (part is around $400, readily available) but must be done exactly to the prescribed instructions/proper adhesive. Hutch Aviation has overhauled shells for around $900 after core credit of around $400. I bought from Hutch recently. Excellent quality.


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We recently bought an older P206. It has the pilot and copilot doors with a smaller door in the back. We love it. I took my family of 5, including three young kids to go visit my parents and do some work for my dad. We were loaded, but still well under gross.

I’ll never forget the look on the face of the FBO girl as bag-after-bag and kid-after-kid poured out of the plane. It must have looked like a clown-car circus act. When we unpacked the plane after the return trip, I realized we had completely filled our minivan with everything we took.


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I own a 69 182M and have flown them both. Imo the 182 flies nicer it’s lighter on the controls, but don’t get me wrong if I needed (and price didn’t matter) I’d gladly own a 206. I also like the 182 dashboard it’s a little lower. The 520 makes a racquet when it takes off but some people like that. I sure do like that throaty sound a 520 makes taxiing. I burn about 13GPH at 65% and plan on 125 TAS at about 5000’ with a stock 470R and 3 bladed Hartzell. They’re both great planes can’t go wrong with either of them.


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I needed saddles for my 177rg. Rather than the Cessna saddles my mechanic had an engineering order (I think similar to your 337) prepared for metal replacement saddles, and had them manufactured. He had gone down that road before. They were not particularly expensive.


When I worked at Cessna, we occasionally issued Engineering Orders to fix issues on pre-delivery airplanes, but I never heard of one for a airplane in the field following delivery.


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Bill my guess is it is mere semantics, what you call a 337 we call an engineering order.


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Bill my guess is it is mere semantics, what you call a 337 we call an engineering order.

When I saw "gear saddles" and "337" in the same sentence my mind went in a third direction.

That was one of the annoying things about trying to find information for an old Skymaster using Google - searching for "337" + any aviation term was just about useless.


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