Just finished that same flight(s). Oof. Plus landed in KOMA for fuel where it was single digit temps, albeit pretty nice behind the front. P180 does climb nicely when it’s cold though.

Some quick comments:
- EIS has a few benefits
(1) For those of us on engine programs, it permits automated reporting of engine parameters. Otherwise, you're taking notes or videos in flight and emailing them to CAMP.
(2) The gauges, while gorgeous and perfectly good, are like $10k a piece if their break. I'm not 100% on this, but I'm pretty sure they are NOT part of the Collins parts program.
(3) If you're not always at the controls yourself, you get a log of engine parameters as well.

- I know a lot of Avanti owners and haven't found any who found insurance to be particularly challenging, even with slightly less than 1000TT. There is a lot of media that Baykar is planning to invest in the Avanti, so underwriters being anxious is counter -intuitive. Maybe you need to send some clippings along. I think transitioning pilots have mostly had IAT or London. EG, there is a news interview where they say, "We would like to renew and relaunch it [The Piaggio brand], starting with the 180--a true jewel. And then also the engines, the components"

- Where on the west coast are you? There are quite a few owner-operators in the Bay Area.

- The most deeply knowledgable maintenance shops are in the midwest and Texas, though there are quite capable West coast outfits as well, eg @ HWD and (for II's) SJC.

Send me a DM with your email address and I can forward you an email I've sent to several prospective Avantibuyers.
Ed

This is correct. They aren't part of the Collins program because they aren't Collins products... They are made by Farem.

(Ed is talking about Avanti I engine gauges, ie NOT the Proline 21 found in Avanti II.)

I would not want it. The current system works well, is powerful, a true FMS. Much better than G1000 in my experience.

I had the SB 80-0493 done recently. It's NDT testing of the vertical stabilizer assembly. It is currently a proposed EASA AD. https://ad.easa.europa.eu/blob/EASA_PAD_25_030.pdf/PAD_25-030_1

It is meant to look for corrosion. My airframe had no corrosion, it's 2019. Yet they found an 8mm crack in the third frame. Piaggio is engineering a fix. 6 weeks/35k for the design. Then a few weeks to machine a small plate and two bolts. No flying until then.

Wonder what's the status in the US? Once it becomes an EASA AD, it would be recognized by the FAA in three months?

Hi all,

I'm working on getting insurance for an Avanti I. What's a reasonable cost?

550TT, 300 in multi (DA42/DA62).

Thanks!

Your total time might or might not be challenging. For a budget, I'd suggest 1.5% - 2.5% of hull value will get you in the ballpark for someone with 1000TT and and some time in type for Avanti. Adjustments for low/high experience and time in type will move the needle some.

Caught at Tulsa Riverside

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w8VQ0n77U0M

Edit:I was misinformed

DOH! Not a Piaggio!

(That’s a Beech Starship, contrary to all the captioning in the video.)

First factory installed EVS on P.180 Evo:
https://www.piaggioaerospace.it/en/media/archivio/news/2025-03-10-piaggio-aerospace-delivers-a-new-avanti-evo-to-a-north-american-customer

The best line in that post was that 11 more Evos are on the line in production.

Sorry if I missed it, but if a Garmin AP comes out for the P180, does that open up the PL21 planes as a possibility for retrofit?

No more incompatibility issue with Garmin and a PL21 AP, there’s EIS to replace engine instruments, and the annunciator panel stays

IJSC just got the EIS approved, but the Garmin system has not been approved for RVSM yet. Underway but not quite across the finish line yet. But once that domino falls, an AP could complete the retrofit package. I have heard the AP approval is not imminent, however.

Tailwinds ftw.

Made it from a condo in Alta Utah to my car in Broomfield CO in 1:42 min. Would have taken longer for me to drive to Vail. These planes are time machines.

Also, Piaggio wing loading made reports of severe turbulence on approach in Denver barely noticeable.