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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 14 Oct 2024, 17:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: It really is an amazing plane. They are still making the KC-46 Pegasus and, I think, a freighter. They stopped making passenger versions a number of years ago. The KC-46 is significantly different. Think 767 with a lot of 787 changes. IIRC; the cockpit and flight control systems are lifted from the 787.
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 14 Oct 2024, 18:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: I flew on a 767 as a passenger on a flight to Europe. Before we pushed back, I was looking at the left engine from my window seat thinking "I'm not very comfortable crossing the Atlantic on only two engines."  It'll do just fine on one. I know of a four hour ETOPS flights on one engine.
Oh yes, I knew it would do just fine on one because of certification standards, but it wouldn't on none.
Out of curiosity one time I looked up the in-flight shutdowns of the legacy PW JT9D on the 747 in comparison with the more advanced engines like the CF6. The JT9D had almost 2 1/2 times the shut down rate of the CF6. Source: FAA Aircraft Turbine Engine Reliability and Inspection Investigations, 1993.
The 767 could lose half it's engines and still takeoff and climb. The legacy 747's might if it lost two, and weren't certified to lose two on takeoff, only landing.
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 14 Oct 2024, 19:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: The 767 could lose half it's engines and still takeoff and climb. The legacy 747's might if it lost two, and weren't certified to lose two on takeoff, only landing. At least in the sim, the -400F could fly a missed approach on one outboard engine at MGLW. It required about 600' of decent to gain enough inertia to start the climb, but it would go... Obviously, we only did it for demo purposes with spare time, but it was interesting to see it happen.
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 14:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: In the DC-10 they used to give us one engine failure at V1, and another at 1000' agl. If you dialed in about 300 fpm down and cleaned up on speed, you could get to a "clean wing" before you hit the ground. It would then climb on one engine at firewall power. Obviously we were dumping fuel the whole time. When we went to FADEC's at Cessna, firewall power was no longer available. I always wondered if that was a wise decision, although there would be certification issues on using it.
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 05 Jan 2025, 16:32 |
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On one of my 767 trips to Europe, the weather was better than usual passing by the Southern trip of Greenland and we got a good view of Narsarsuaq.
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 21 Jan 2025, 21:47 |
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Attachment: photo_89.jpeg It was a wonderful airplane to fly, absolutely phenomenal in its reliability. Flew 350 trips to HNL and OGG in her out of Dallas before I retired. Sweetest flying airplane ever.
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 23 Jan 2025, 21:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: It really is an amazing plane. They are still making the KC-46 Pegasus and, I think, a freighter. They stopped making passenger versions a number of years ago. The KC-46 is significantly different. Think 767 with a lot of 787 changes. IIRC; the cockpit and flight control systems are lifted from the 787. KC-46A: 767-200 fuselage, 767-300 wings, PW4062 engine (uprated thrust with high, hot bump)
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 26 Jan 2025, 01:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: It really is an amazing plane. They are still making the KC-46 Pegasus and, I think, a freighter. They stopped making passenger versions a number of years ago.
A bit off topic, but it's a shame they stopped making the 757. It was (is) the coolest narrow-body airliner ever made. If they kept producing it, Boeing never would have had to over-engineer the 737 into the MAX versions. The 767 can be replaced, but the 757 hasn't been, at least yet. I flew 75, 76 for AA BACK IN THE 1990s. Loved, loved the 75 what a rocket. We had two models of 76. As I recall the smaller version was -200 and also - 400. Then went to 777-200, now that is an airplane. The 76-200 was short on power the -400 had good power but I only flew it domestic so it was always light. Worst landing of my life was once in -400. Had a lady FO so I blamed her, she laughed.
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 26 Jan 2025, 22:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Dan, I also flew the 75,76 for AA, 1992-1995. We had the 757-200, 767-200(Domestic),767-200ER and the 767-300. Your last name sounds familiar. Good to hear from you
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 26 Jan 2025, 22:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: It really is an amazing plane. They are still making the KC-46 Pegasus and, I think, a freighter. They stopped making passenger versions a number of years ago.
A bit off topic, but it's a shame they stopped making the 757. It was (is) the coolest narrow-body airliner ever made. If they kept producing it, Boeing never would have had to over-engineer the 737 into the MAX versions. The 767 can be replaced, but the 757 hasn't been, at least yet. I flew 75, 76 for AA BACK IN THE 1990s. Loved, loved the 75 what a rocket. We had two models of 76. As I recall the smaller version was -200 and also - 400. Then went to 777-200, now that is an airplane. The 76-200 was short on power the -400 had good power but I only flew it domestic so it was always light. Worst landing of my life was once in -400. Had a lady FO so I blamed her, she laughed.
Dan I flew with you several times. The hotel guy remember?
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 27 Jan 2025, 22:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Dan, I also flew the 75,76 for AA, 1992-1995. We had the 757-200, 767-200(Domestic),767-200ER and the 767-300. Your last name sounds familiar. Good to hear from you
Same here Dan!
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Post subject: Re: End of Line for 767 Posted: 28 Jan 2025, 00:49 |
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I was fortunate enough to fly both the 757 & 767 for a decade. Five years from the right seat, and another five from the left. (With a few years separating the two.)
757-200's (Both Pratt & RR) 757-300, 767-200, 300 & 400.
The 767's are nice, but I love the 757-200 more than just about anything.
The biggest honor of my career was the time I spent as a check pilot on the fleet. Full-time IOE for almost three years.
I never worked so hard in my life, but never had as much fun as I did teaching. Turning to a new hire at the gate in Lisbon and telling them to look around and take it all in, because they just flew a 764 to Europe. Taking a Captain on his first leg of IOE and watching him shoot the CAT III autoland in Munich. We could see the centerline lights during the flare. And a bunch of really talented aviators that will be the ones flying me around when I'm the retired old guy non-revving around the system. And I know I'm in good hands.
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