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I bet this aircraft model is listed in more pilot logbooks than any other. More learned to fly this model than any other (non military), thus its impact to GA is one that can’t be ignored.

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Only change I would make is Lockheed F-104 in place of the F-105 (but I'm biased being a Lockheed man).


Who doesn't love MU2 landing gear!!

That is a great picture, thanks for posting that.

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Those are great numbers, Larry!

Tell us about maintenance - have you found a shop that knows the type well, and can get you in & out quickly?



Yes, indeed, found a great guy near by.

It isn't hard to work on actually. It's just built a lot different than the 40+ year old aluminum aircraft. It's more like modern automotive in how the interior comes apart. The composite structures require direct knowledge of materials and methods, but I've not had issues with structures, so no big deal.

A&P's working on Cirrus and high-end composite experimentals, especially Lancair, would find it familiar.


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I bet this aircraft model is listed in more pilot logbooks than any other. More learned to fly this model than any other (non military), thus its impact to GA is one that can’t be ignored.


Actually the US Air Force used a version of the 172 as their primary screening trainer; I think its called a T-41. That said I bet the 150/152 has trained more pilots.


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I’ll start off with my selection the Cessna TTX. Probably the nicest flying airplane. I’ve ever flown equipped with the G2 thousand it represents everything a comfortable aircraft should be transport wise in the single engine piston line. I’d be interested to hear other thoughts.


I'm a big fan of the Columbia/TTX. In fact, I almost bought one 15 years ago before I bought my A36. Two factors led me to the A36. We travel with a large dog so loading it onto the wing and into the back seat was not ideal. More importantly, my wife is known to pack half the closet on longer trips.

Doesn't the TTX have a full fuel payload of less than 500 lbs? That seems tight for 3 people and bags.


Years ago I cured taking half the closet. Rule strictly enforced. ‘you bring it you carry it’. You can’t believe how much the loads reduced over the years.
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After almost 50 years of flying everything from 150s to Boeings and A lot in between I was recently posed this question. Qualifications would be …

an airplane that’s capable of comfortably carrying at least 3 people on a 750 mile trip or more. In other words real transportation. I’m not talking about turboprops or jets either but something that is more in line with the average private pilot. I’ll start off with my selection the Cessna TTX. Probably the nicest flying airplane. I’ve ever flown equipped with the G2 thousand it represents everything a comfortable aircraft should be transport wise in the single engine piston line. I’d be interested to hear other thoughts.


You may have forgot the F105 :cheers:

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After almost 50 years of flying everything from 150s to Boeings and A lot in between I was recently posed this question. Qualifications would be …

an airplane that’s capable of comfortably carrying at least 3 people on a 750 mile trip or more. In other words real transportation. I’m not talking about turboprops or jets either but something that is more in line with the average private pilot. I’ll start off with my selection the Cessna TTX. Probably the nicest flying airplane. I’ve ever flown equipped with the G2 thousand it represents everything a comfortable aircraft should be transport wise in the single engine piston line. I’d be interested to hear other thoughts.


Lancair ES, from which the TTX was borne. 170-175 ktas at 10.6 gph (faster at higher burns; faster if turboed), 1200+ nm range (Truckee to Cumberland, WI, 1298 nm, in one shot several times); load hauler; climbs like a scalded cat even with fixed gear; fly's beautifully, lands beautifully. 420 hours in 2 1/2 years. It's a bit lighter than the TTX, which also think flies beautifully. TTX went a little overkill with utility certification, or you'd be able to haul even more. Among certified fixed gear singles, I'll also cast my vote for the TTX. (Sure, I'm biased, but I like it better than the Cirrus, which tried to copy the flowing lines of the ES).

For retractable's, Lancair IVP. That'l raise hackles. People think it's dangerous. Strongly disagree It has higher wing loading than most single engine pilots are used to. If it's not flown the way it should be flown, it's dangerous just like every other plane in the sky flown differently than it should be. Fly it properly and it's beautiful.

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One BIG advantage the 182 has over a Bonanza is...

All the extra CRAP you can put in the hangar under the wings.

Shoot, a car under each wing.


One disadvantage of the high wing 182 in the hangar is that pilots who are not height challenged seem to accumulate those odd horizontal zipper marks on their foreheads from running into the trailing edges of the flaps and ailerons. :D


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A worthless column. Not worth reading because we all have different needs and desires.

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A worthless column. Not worth reading because we all have different needs and desires.


It’s a pity you feel that way. Whilst of course the question of what is best is entirely mission dependent, as I am sure every poster knows, the question was rhetorical. The original poster listed his criteria and answered the question by reference to that criteria. He then invited others to chip in with their thoughts. Those thoughts can clearly be based on different criteria.

If you bother to read the thread you will find that there is lots of interesting information. Reading this thread was not time wasted.


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A worthless column. Not worth reading because we all have different needs and desires.


Yet you took the time to not only read at least some of it, but waste your time to comment!


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B-55P2. It will go about 135-140 kts on one engine.


And will probably out climb a 172 while doing that!


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After almost 50 years of flying everything from 150s to Boeings and A lot in between I was recently posed this question. Qualifications would be …

an airplane that’s capable of comfortably carrying at least 3 people on a 750 mile trip or more. In other words real transportation. I’m not talking about turboprops or jets either but something that is more in line with the average private pilot. I’ll start off with my selection the Cessna TTX. Probably the nicest flying airplane. I’ve ever flown equipped with the G2 thousand it represents everything a comfortable aircraft should be transport wise in the single engine piston line. I’d be interested to hear other thoughts.


For that mission, depending on how big the three people are, the Mooney Acclaim would be somewhat faster. My FIKI plane has just under 900# of UL, climbs to the high teens at 12-1500 FPM (310 HP STC), and is very comfortable for us.

It would not be enough faster for me to switch from one to the other.
That distance is probably pushing 4 hours on average, which is a lot to inflict on non-pilot passengers.

A Vitatoe P210 or Malibu would not be faster, but either would be a significant increase in comfort.

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