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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers  Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 20:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: <snip>Today lead times are nearly twice that and new 2024 Phenom 300E deliveries are flipping north of $14M!
Chip, are those Greenies or does that $14M include paint & interior?
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 20:31 |
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Chip do you have the numbers on pc-24 deliveries?
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 20:55 |
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Username Protected wrote:
When/if the current boom becomes a bust, there may be a lot of low priced very nice older jets for sale.
Mike C.
Along with a bunch of much lower priced GA type airplanes as well.
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 21:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: <snip>Today lead times are nearly twice that and new 2024 Phenom 300E deliveries are flipping north of $14M!
Chip, are those Greenies or does that $14M include paint & interior?
That’s ready to go. But, I don’t want to imply that you could buy one for that today. It seems like every time one sells the price goes up on the next one!
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 21:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Chip do you have the numbers on pc-24 deliveries? I can look them up! I actually intended to include them. Edit: it looks like there were 40 - 2023 PC24’s produced. By the way, the only way I have to sort these is by year model so the actual production numbers may be a little different but it’s close.
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 22:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: Chip do you have the numbers on pc-24 deliveries? GAMA keeps records of deliveries, you don't need some "special" access to know them: https://gama.aero/facts-and-statistics/ ... -billings/For 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024Q1: PC24: 41, 45, 40, 47, 6 2024Q2 numbers are not out yet. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 25 Jul 2024, 07:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: Greaaaattttttt........here comes another Odd Couple thread derailment.......   Nah, I’m not biting. Everyone knows the data GAMA offers. We’re having a discussion about the number of specific airframes that actually matter to people like Mike because it directly or indirectly affects his aircraft and it’s value. For the most part we don’t care how many Falcons or $60M+ Globals and Gulfstreams were built! And as you know for some reason GAMA’s data isn’t always stellar. At least we are looking at real airplanes with serial numbers!
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 25 Jul 2024, 11:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: I appreciate the data GAMA provides, but is simply what gets reported by the manufacturers. Manufacturers are a reliable authority on what planes they have delivered. If you have another source that disagrees with what the manufacturers are reporting, then I question that source more than the manufacturer. GAMA is the most accurate measure of aircraft deliveries and it is public information, so you don't need to ask someone implying they have secret inside information. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 25 Jul 2024, 13:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: GAMA is the most accurate measure of aircraft deliveries and it is public information, …. Agreeing and supporting this general idea - big advantage to (most) public data is it is reported on a consistent basis, ie even if a “2024 model” shipped in late 2023 and therefore gets reported as 2023, that will be comparable to the next year’s data. Don’t change methodology year to year, or try to adjust for edge cases, usually it just leads to bad data.
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 25 Jul 2024, 13:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: GAMA is the most accurate measure of aircraft deliveries and it is public information, so you don't need to ask someone implying they have secret inside information.
Mike C. I'm not implying anything, I do have access to information you do not have access to... and it clearly pisses you off.
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 25 Jul 2024, 14:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: GAMA is the most accurate measure of aircraft deliveries Are you SURE? How do you know?
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…and so it begins. Who’s got the boxing gloves? 
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Post subject: Re: New Production Jet Numbers Posted: 25 Jul 2024, 14:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: …and so it begins. Who’s got the boxing gloves?
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