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 Post subject: Re: Buying older King Airs and Citations!
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You are threatened by Mike C because he has nothing to gain and is brutally honest and open. That scares you as it challenges your business model. Then you want to attack him and act like he is the problem?
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Ok Mikey...

You are going to have to elaborate on this one.

How exactly does Mike C. challenge my business model?

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 Post subject: Re: Buying older King Airs and Citations!
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You are threatened by Mike C because he has nothing to gain and is brutally honest and open. That scares you as it challenges your business model. Then you want to attack him and act like he is the problem?
Mike


Ok Mikey...

You are going to have to elaborate on this one.

How exactly does Mike C. challenge my business model?



Haha you tell me. I’m don’t know why you are so defensive when Mike C states facts. I am not your shrink. You do seem to be threatened as you are so defensive and have to argue with everything he says, even when he proves his statements are factual.

I think your reaction to Mike C is bonkers and a major red flag.

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Aircraft buy-sell contracts should include the term “mutually agreeable facility” as it relates to where the pre purchase inspection is to be done. Thus the facility must be acceptable to both buyer and seller.Hopefully this will keep anyone from gaining an unfair advantage as it relates to the inspection. Since Chip is representing the buyer only, the seller could easily take a contrarian view. It’s important to note that if all involved don’t find enough common ground on this, the sale(or purchase) will be canceled, insuring that , as far as this airplane goes, the purchaser won’t purchase, the seller won’t sell, and Chip will not get paid on the time spent on this one.
Bottom line: it’s in everyone’s interest to seek middle ground.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying older King Airs and Citations!
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Ok Mikey...

You are going to have to elaborate on this one.

How exactly does Mike C. challenge my business model?



Haha you tell me. I’m don’t know why you are so defensive when Mike C states facts. I am not your shrink. You do seem to be threatened as you are so defensive and have to argue with everything he says, even when he proves his statements are factual.

I think your reaction to Mike C is bonkers and a major red flag.

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You made the statement, back it up.

I think I could probably flip this argument on you, as it is almost always Mike posting on my threads and attacking me.

I do know why he does it, but that wasn’t your accusation.

You said I was afraid of him… why am I here? He has scared away several posters, so if I’m scared, threatened or have something to hide… especially if I was afraid he would hurt my business, why wouldn’t I just disappear?
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 Post subject: Re: Buying older King Airs and Citations!
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I deleted my post. Not worth it.

You do you Chip.


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 Post subject: Re: Buying older King Airs and Citations!
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I deleted my post. Not worth it.

You do you Chip.


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And as a result, you deleted the response I just spent several minutes typing.

Thanks.

I’ll learn to capture and then respond. You and Mike C. make unfounded accusations and then when you’re called on it, you slip away until the heat dies down.

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There is no point in arguing with you. You are not going to agree or understand my point and vs verse. I have my opinion and you can have yours. I think both of us have made our
Points.

It’s not about slipping away, It’s just taking the high road. I get that you don’t see how you look when you argue your point here and get defensive with Mike C.


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Mike,

I was on Beechtalk before Mike C., while it is not his business, it is very clear that he likes having a following. I’m not saying he doesn’t have financial motivation, 10 or 12 years ago he resurrected the entire MU2 market!

So, when I started correcting him, he got mad. How dare I challenge the King of Beechtalk!

You also missed the days when I used to call him WikiPilot.

And it’s true, Mike has a lot of information, but most of it comes from research, not experience. The problem is, a lot of information on the Internet is not correct.

He is not the only one I call out for sharing inaccurate or misleading information, you also missed the Jason Crandall days! Jason and I once spent weeks arguing about the size of the PC12 cabin, He claimed it was larger than the cabin of a King Air 350! Man, that dude could argue! But I will give him credit, when I ask him if he had ever been in a King Air 350, he admitted that he had not and when he figured out he was wrong he admitted that he had found the incorrect information on the internet.

I will say this for Mike C., before he bought his Citation he called me, he was planning on buying an SII, he took my advice and bought the V, and it was a smart move!

Mike isn’t the only one that has called me over the years, in fact, I’ve helped a lot more Beechtalkers for free than have ever hired me, and have been glad to do it. Helping buyers really is my passion, and sometimes that means protecting them from bad info.

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I did not miss out on the Jason Crandall days. I thought you were pompous back then also. I just didn’t engage.

I have been around here for a minute. And I just get fed up with your attacks on people sharing real information. Your attitude and attacks keeps guys like Mike from sharing. To me you are a bully on here and no add very little value for guys like me.

For me Beechtalk is about people sharing their experiences and it’s up to me to decide how to apply that knowledge. Jason Crandall also added a lot of experience and some was very helpful to me.


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For anyone wondering, I am not saying call me because I want to give you a sales pitch. What I will do is share what I know about the pros and cons of a specific model of aircraft.

Why a call?

Because I don’t post negative secrets about models publicly because I don’t want to hurt the owners of those aircraft. It’s about pros and cons, and it’s important to explain both and not just dog the airframe.

Having said that, once a major negative is made public, like Premier windshields or CJ4 corrosion, then I’ll talk about it.

I’ve made two brokers aware of specific issues with airplanes recently, one got mad because he said that knowledge would make it harder to sell the airplane and the other (just yesterday) thanked me.

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I did not miss out on the Jason Crandall days. I thought you were pompous back then also. I just didn’t engage.

I have been around here for a minute. And I just get fed up with your attacks on people sharing real information. Your attitude and attacks keeps guys like Mike from sharing. To me you are a bully on here and no add very little value for guys like me.

For me Beechtalk is about people sharing their experiences and it’s up to me to decide how to apply that knowledge. Jason Crandall also added a lot of experience and some was very helpful to me.


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Anyone who cares can use the search bar to see who is and who isn’t.

And I am sure I can come across as pompous on here and for that I am sorry.

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What do you mean you can see who is and who isn’t?

Back when Jason was here I was not flying a Jet so just read the post and knew it was out of my league. Now that I have a Jet and more direct experience I am willing to engage. Way more people read post than engage.

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What do you mean you can see who is and who isn’t?

Back when Jason was here I was not flying a Jet so just read the post and knew it was out of my league. Now that I have a Jet and more direct experience I am willing to engage. Way more people read post than engage.

Mike


Who is a bully.

You can spin it anyway you want, but to those of us who know what we’re talking about, Mike C. Is just another guy on the net, criticizing companies he hasn’t done business with, telling people who know what they are talking about that they’re wrong and then when presented with facts, instead of admitting he was wrong he just checks out for a few months.

The search function will quickly show how seldom I show up on Mike’s threads and how often he shows up on mine.

He accused me of posting more than him, but the numbers show that he’s posted way more than me even though he hasn’t been here as long.

He’s a bully, you’re a bully… in this very thread you have both said things about me that are untrue in an effort to intimidate me.

Unfortunately, for you, I have nothing to hide. But, if I did, you would’ve already gotten rid of me for sure.

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Chip

I do have a short fuse with you. Sorry for lashing out.

You think guys like Mike C share bad info and I think you share bad info. You start threads to promote your services. Mike C post to share valuable info. You are not the same.

I am not your target customer and neither is Mike C.

I need to put you back on ignore. Was way less frustrating when I didn’t see your post.

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Chip

I do have a short fuse with you. Sorry for lashing out.

You think guys like Mike C share bad info and I think you share bad info. You start threads to promote your services. Mike C post to share valuable info. You are not the same.

I am not your target customer and neither is Mike C.

I need to put you back on ignore. Was way less frustrating when I didn’t see your post.

Mike


I don’t think Mike always shares bad info, but sometimes he does.

What bad info have I shared? You show me and I’ll apologize.

I think you and Mike thinking I post to promote my services is EXACTLY why you both have a problem with me.

Trust me, if I was here to get business I wouldn’t be going back and forth with you two! Even you said it makes me look bad! That’s why you’re frustrated, because you can’t figure me out. Your perception of me is wrong. That’s why you can’t reconcile it.

I am here for the entertainment!

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