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Post subject: Re: Hypermiling the Citation 550 Posted: 02 Jun 2024, 21:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: That is so cool! I love trips like that.
What was tas? Everybody knows Citations are not fast! I was doing about 350 for the first half of the trip and then it started slowing down and ended up around 310. That’s the whole technique is to keep it on the angle of attack and slow down as it burns off fuel to maximize the range. Max speed on a 550 is about 365 but you’re not doing this trip doing that. But I am positive that it is faster going slower because you don’t have to stop for fuel!!
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Post subject: Re: Hypermiling the Citation 550 Posted: 02 Jun 2024, 22:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: That’s the whole technique is to keep it on the angle of attack and slow down as it burns off fuel to maximize the range. What’s the magic AOA? Do you have an AOA indicator?
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Post subject: Re: Hypermiling the Citation 550 Posted: 03 Jun 2024, 06:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: So, someone once said that L/D works for everything except turbines, because the inefficacy of the Carnot cycle at lower power settings on turbines demolishes any drag savings. Or put another way, near-Carson speeds only works economically for pistons.
True or false? Every jet I’ve flown had a max endurance and a max range AoA.
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Post subject: Re: Hypermiling the Citation 550 Posted: 03 Jun 2024, 12:57 |
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What Tarver didn't mention is that the TarverJet's aft lav, when the other PIC is flying right seat, is pretty darned comfortable. The range of the Slowtation can easily exceed the range of one's bladder.
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Post subject: Re: Hypermiling the Citation 550 Posted: 03 Jun 2024, 13:03 |
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Joined: 03/25/12 Posts: 7042 Post Likes: +6231 Location: KCMA - Camarillo, CA
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Username Protected wrote: The part I cannot overlook is the comfort. It's quiet, cool, over-the-weather, and Mike probably had the coffee maker churning behind him. I think when I buy a 501 I want an espresso machine and a microwave (for the croissants).
longest trip I did in the TBM was 1550nm (5+ hours), and it was fairly uncomfortable after the second hour. and no coffee (except for a thermos, and the $1,800 cup-holder which is from a 2001 Saab). If you are single pilot and no pax, who is going to make the coffee in the espresso machine unless they are accessable from the left seat? 
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Post subject: Re: Hypermiling the Citation 550 Posted: 03 Jun 2024, 13:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: The part I cannot overlook is the comfort. It's quiet, cool, over-the-weather, and Mike probably had the coffee maker churning behind him. I think when I buy a 501 I want an espresso machine and a microwave (for the croissants).
longest trip I did in the TBM was 1550nm (5+ hours), and it was fairly uncomfortable after the second hour. and no coffee (except for a thermos, and the $1,800 cup-holder which is from a 2001 Saab). If you are single pilot and no pax, who is going to make the coffee in the espresso machine unless they are accessable from the left seat? 
Come on that's what autopilot's for! (Green font)
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Post subject: Re: Hypermiling the Citation 550 Posted: 03 Jun 2024, 13:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: If you are single pilot and no pax, who is going to make the coffee in the espresso machine unless they are accessable from the left seat?  don't ruin it for me. i still haven't figured out how to get the jet. can't even eat peanuts in the L39- i nearly killed myself. 
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Post subject: Re: Hypermiling the Citation 550 Posted: 03 Jun 2024, 13:19 |
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Joined: 03/25/12 Posts: 7042 Post Likes: +6231 Location: KCMA - Camarillo, CA
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Username Protected wrote: If you are single pilot and no pax, who is going to make the coffee in the espresso machine unless they are accessable from the left seat?  don't ruin it for me. i still haven't figured out how to get the jet. can't even eat peanuts in the L39- i nearly killed myself.  Roll it inverted and pick them off the canopy.
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