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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
PostPosted: 17 Jan 2024, 09:33 
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Oof. I thought the Evo came with the steel brakes? What year did they switch?


Mine is 3016, year 2019. It has the Magnaghi gear with carbon brakes and no anti-skid. Could be a custom order. Only two sold that year.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Shameless Piaggio plug…

Hard not to love being above the bumps and weather, making 366 KTAS on only 500 lb/hr. This is ~10% more fuel efficient in lb/ktas than my Solitaire was at altitude (FL280 for it), while also 70 kts faster, 10k+’ higher, and 10 seats. What a great design.

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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Does your G600 TXi have SSEC loaded? I notice a 100 ft delta between it and the "standby" altimeter. I take it the standby altimeter is actually the primary one?

I can't match that efficiency, of course. At 366 knots, I could probably get down to maybe 800 pph, at least that is what the book says.

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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Does your G600 TXi have SSEC loaded?

No. Collins ADC and instruments are primary for RVSM, as well as the autopilot interface. IJSC is rumored to have it coming soon. I would like to lose the old analog Collins ADC and instruments for long term reliability and maintainability.

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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Shameless Piaggio plug…

Hard not to love being above the bumps and weather, making 366 KTAS on only 500 lb/hr. This is ~10% more fuel efficient in lb/ktas than my Solitaire was at altitude (FL280 for it), while also 70 kts faster, 10k+’ higher, and 10 seats. What a great design.

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Amazing! your engines are really nicely matched also.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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2008 PIAGGIO P180 AVANTI II N327A
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A little fiberglass work and you will be back in business.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Possiby looks like a candidate for parting out. I see both props, a couple of engine overhauls and structural damage along most of the lower fuselage. If the gear's been touched, that's even worse for the Avanti. And, even if repaired, this incident will now be part of this bird's pedigree and affect its fully repaired value.
If I were operating an Avanti, I would definitely make a ridiculous offer - for parts.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Serial 1046 (now for sale) suffered a gear-up several years ago and went through a significant repair. I’m told it took a big hit on value and the current owners got in pretty cheap.

https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/75428/pdf
The seller agent has not been very open about the damage which is concerning.
Major Damage history—restored or repaired —on the P180 is probably hard to assess.

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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Serial 1046 (now for sale) suffered a gear-up several years ago and went through a significant repair. I’m told it took a big hit on value and the current owners got in pretty cheap.

https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/75428/pdf
The seller agent has not been very open about the damage which is concerning.
Major Damage history—restored or repaired —on the P180 is probably hard to assess.


The ad on Controller certainly raises some questions - but sure would be nice if it said "gear up in 202x"...

Hate to see any damage to the fleet...I think the one bird with a gear failure on landing is still sitting at KLUK from last year...


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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"As the aircraft began to climb off the runway, the pilot realized that the aircraft would not climb beyond ground effect."

How does this happen with that much power?

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Is there some sort of control lock that would limit elevator movement?

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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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There is a bar that is installed between the rudder and the control column to lock the rudder & elevator as well as a pin installed in the control wheel to lock ailerons.

It would be nearly impossible to not notice that bar when taxiing. The pin in my plane is on a chain connected to the bar. If the pin was “standalone” it would be easy to miss without checking for control movement.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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"As the aircraft began to climb off the runway, the pilot realized that the aircraft would not climb beyond ground effect." How does this happen with that much power?
Mike C.

I vaguely remember being told there was a Piaggio that took off with flaps up and rotated at flaps-mid speed and the pilot didn't sufficiently accelerate the plane in ground effect. No idea if this is that plane or even if I remember the story correctly.

Edit: Different aircraft. I heard of the flaps mishap before this accident occurred. It looks like the NTSB is doing a full investigation into this accident, where preliminary reports mention a mechanical failure. The aircraft had previously been involved in a deer strike that resulted in a runway excursion. So two major incidents for this aircraft it seems.


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We had a master warning and fire light on start up recently. I seem to remember this happening before but not sure. No fire of course and no recurrence on ferry flight to the shop. We’ve checked all the canon plugs and they are solidly plugged in. No other electrical problems noted.

Shop could not duplicate the problem with engines not started. Shop wants to remove both fire loops, swap sides and see if the fault follows on start up. That will take 40 hours of labor. Or replace the fire loop for $18k.

These planes, as all the operators know, have electrical gremlins.

Anyone else have this issue before?


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