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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived  Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 20:39 |
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Say what you want, but give the devil his due.
These folks design, make and sell the best selling single engine piston airplanes in the world.
Sure, primarily an avionics and interior upgrade. But at least they are upgrading.
When is the last time Textron did anything with the Bonanza or the Baron besides slapping a G1000Nxi Avionics package into the plane? The rest of the airframe is current right up to the late 1950s. The relative sales numbers show.
Speaking as a former Baron owner and fan.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 21:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would be an interested party for a model based on the 36, larger cabin, seats 6, SETP, no need for chute, pressurized, flies 250kts in the FLs, 1200lbs full fuel UL. Your interest would evaporate as soon as you saw the price.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 21:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: G7 with G3000 announced after some cringeworthy buzzword bingo. Site is up: https://cirrusaircraft.com/aircraft/sr-series/Didn't see cost but I assume it increased. Aerista posted a market impact analysis on COPA and stated 8% price increase.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 22:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: Say what you want, but give the devil his due.
These folks design, make and sell the best selling single engine piston airplanes in the world.
Sure, primarily an avionics and interior upgrade. But at least they are upgrading.
When is the last time Textron did anything with the Bonanza or the Baron besides slapping a G1000Nxi Avionics package into the plane? The rest of the airframe is current right up to the late 1950s. The relative sales numbers show.
Speaking as a former Baron owner and fan. They did this avionics platform with better human factors over a decade ago in the TTx. Seeing the Cirrus GTC placement makes me twitch.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 22:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would be an interested party for a model based on the 36, larger cabin, seats 6, SETP, no need for chute, pressurized, flies 250kts in the FLs, 1200lbs full fuel UL. All with Bonanza styling, call it Bonanza NG (Next Generation) It’s called the Denali. https://beechcraft.txtav.com/en/denali
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 23:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would be an interested party for a model based on the 36, larger cabin, seats 6, SETP, no need for chute, pressurized, flies 250kts in the FLs, 1200lbs full fuel UL. All with Bonanza styling, call it Bonanza NG (Next Generation) It’s called the Denali. https://beechcraft.txtav.com/en/denali
Agreed. You can’t take an existing model, pressurize it, and expect a larger cabin. The only way to get both bigger and pressurized is with a new airframe.
If someone designed me a six seat aircraft that could carry 1200 lbs with full fuel, I’d ask them why they didn’t add more fuel tanks.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrive Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 23:02 |
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This comes from someone who has never flown a Cirrus…
As much as I don’t like it, they have sold 10k of them. Imagine if Textron actually tried to sell 206’s or Bonanzas. I’m 50 years old and they clearly are marketing to a demographic that I’m not part of, but more power to them.
Integrated rear cup holders, 35% larger screens, wicked cool push button start…
I hope they sell 10k more.
Now back to those classifieds, that K35 with the IO-550 looks pretty sweet.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 23:13 |
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Corrected, it’s a J35, not a K. Sorry to distract from the new cupholders and headset jack location on the new G7.
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 12 Jan 2024, 00:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: and it switches tanks for you I wonder if its in the “run one dry” camp?
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Post subject: Re: The Next Evolution in Personal Aviation has Arrived Posted: 12 Jan 2024, 00:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: With each edition, Cirrus is moving owners from being aviators to being passengers. "Prior to the war, one was supposed to be almost superhuman to fly an airplane and get a license. Pilots had a passion for representing themselves as 'pro' (professional) pilots. Ask one what that meant and his reply would be, 'I can fly anything.' Most of them had a QB pin (Quiet Birdman) and were thoroughly indoctrinated in the use of hard liquor while facing 'west' in remembrance of those who had departed. A prerequisite was to be able to fly with a hangover. In effect, the harder the plane was to fly, the more 'pro' pilot it required, which led to more job security. Some of the old airplanes had some really difficult cockpits to manage in emergencies, so the 'pro' pilots' egos were not totally lost. "... I decided to approach the problem using my own ground rules. It had to be: NEW, DIFFERENT AND, ABOVE ALL, BETTER. IT SHOULD TRANSPORT PEOPLE FROM POINT A TO POINT B WITH THE LEAST INTERRUPTION OF THEIR NORMAL ENVIRONMENT. I was determined to take as much 'pro' out of our new airplane as possible." –Ralph Harmon, "Birth of the Bonanza", page 146
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