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I think weighing less than the Mk 1 is something that is actually possible. It’s a pretty low bar to clear.


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He is about two years late to get in on the stupid venture money thrown at electric vertical lift concepts craze.

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He is about two years late to get in on the stupid venture money thrown at electric vertical lift concepts craze.


Seems about right...


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Gotta hand it to him, he's a dreamer! 300 kts on 180 hp, with enough thrust for a vertical takeoff. New funky engines with no crankshafts won't be an issue at all, driving 3 electric blowers with pivots. All the aerodynamics is already worked out from the first prototype. AND, Ford is going to build it! If you stay to the end, you'll learn that the planes will roll of the Ford assembly line, then fly themselves to their new owner, and do transition training for the owner.


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80 gallons of fuel to get to Hawaii with this thing. It seems that he fails to understand the laws of physics apply here.. But he didn't learn that lesson with the last project either


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I couldn’t resist stopping to post before I got to the part where Ford was going to build them, the cost would be less than their $50k cost to build pickup trucks, and the FAA was totally receptive to the whole idea. :lol:


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I couldn’t resist stopping to post before I got to the part where Ford was going to build them, the cost would be less than their $50k cost to build pickup trucks, and the FAA was totally receptive to the whole idea. :lol:


He lives in a world with skies of a different color than reality......... :scratch: :rofl:

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With economies of scale, modern production engineering, etc., I actually think a plane like a vans, sling, etc could be built in scale for those kind of prices. But then scale would produce a multiple of current sales of all types, and once you add engines and avionics, the price would be $200k+.


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With economies of scale, modern production engineering, etc., I actually think a plane like a vans, sling, etc could be built in scale for those kind of prices. But then scale would produce a multiple of current sales of all types, and once you add engines and avionics, the price would be $200k+.

He was talking about 30k aircraft a year... there are only 200k on the US registry today. At the height of GA production in the 70s, what did we get, maybe 10k aircraft in a year? There's nothing about his design that makes it better than the designs that exist today, so what is going to drive the costs down and the demand up as much as he is dreaming?

Raptor 1 was what, a 120 knot airplane? Maybe it could have gone faster if it could have climbed out of the pattern without overheating. Take that fuselage, make it bigger, remove an inline prop for twin ducts, and what has he done to make this a 300 knot design?

In the comments on the video, he mentions 25k feet (unpressurized). So besides taking those new motors and converting them to diesel, I must have missed that he was also going to add turbos. We know he is familiar with that. No mention of how he would deal with cooling issues that plagued Raptor 1.


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No more pressurization - simple oxygen concentrator and good seals will get it done!

Huh. You’d think that someone so interested in aviation might have at least a passing knowledge of Apollo 1.

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Can we assume Chris Close will make another appearance here now?


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I would like to be a fly on the wall if he actually finds someone at Ford that will meet with him.

All of these ridiculous claims….. Ford built, 300 knots, 80 gallons, VTOL, $100k, blah, blah, blah. He comes across as so sincere, he seems to actually believe this nonsense. Is he just that good a liar?


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Gotta hand it to him, he's a dreamer!
There's a thin line between dreaming and hallucinating, and he is way beyond that line!


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These delusions aren’t even entertaining anymore.


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Can we assume Chris Close will make another appearance here now?

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