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Post subject: Re: Raptor NG - Hybrid-Electric Ducted Fan Twin Posted: 04 Mar 2023, 18:17 |
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I think weighing less than the Mk 1 is something that is actually possible. It’s a pretty low bar to clear.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor NG - Hybrid-Electric Ducted Fan Twin Posted: 04 Mar 2023, 18:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: He is about two years late to get in on the stupid venture money thrown at electric vertical lift concepts craze. Seems about right...
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Post subject: Re: Raptor NG - Hybrid-Electric Ducted Fan Twin Posted: 04 Mar 2023, 21:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: I couldn’t resist stopping to post before I got to the part where Ford was going to build them, the cost would be less than their $50k cost to build pickup trucks, and the FAA was totally receptive to the whole idea.  He lives in a world with skies of a different color than reality......... 
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Post subject: Re: Raptor NG - Hybrid-Electric Ducted Fan Twin Posted: 04 Mar 2023, 22:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: With economies of scale, modern production engineering, etc., I actually think a plane like a vans, sling, etc could be built in scale for those kind of prices. But then scale would produce a multiple of current sales of all types, and once you add engines and avionics, the price would be $200k+. He was talking about 30k aircraft a year... there are only 200k on the US registry today. At the height of GA production in the 70s, what did we get, maybe 10k aircraft in a year? There's nothing about his design that makes it better than the designs that exist today, so what is going to drive the costs down and the demand up as much as he is dreaming? Raptor 1 was what, a 120 knot airplane? Maybe it could have gone faster if it could have climbed out of the pattern without overheating. Take that fuselage, make it bigger, remove an inline prop for twin ducts, and what has he done to make this a 300 knot design? In the comments on the video, he mentions 25k feet (unpressurized). So besides taking those new motors and converting them to diesel, I must have missed that he was also going to add turbos. We know he is familiar with that. No mention of how he would deal with cooling issues that plagued Raptor 1.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor NG - Hybrid-Electric Ducted Fan Twin Posted: 04 Mar 2023, 23:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: No more pressurization - simple oxygen concentrator and good seals will get it done! Huh. You’d think that someone so interested in aviation might have at least a passing knowledge of Apollo 1.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor NG - Hybrid-Electric Ducted Fan Twin Posted: 05 Mar 2023, 01:08 |
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I would like to be a fly on the wall if he actually finds someone at Ford that will meet with him.
All of these ridiculous claims….. Ford built, 300 knots, 80 gallons, VTOL, $100k, blah, blah, blah. He comes across as so sincere, he seems to actually believe this nonsense. Is he just that good a liar?
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Post subject: Re: Raptor NG - Hybrid-Electric Ducted Fan Twin Posted: 05 Mar 2023, 02:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Gotta hand it to him, he's a dreamer! There's a thin line between dreaming and hallucinating, and he is way beyond that line!
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Post subject: Re: Raptor NG - Hybrid-Electric Ducted Fan Twin Posted: 05 Mar 2023, 09:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Can we assume Chris Close will make another appearance here now? Fly Raptor, fly.
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