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Post subject: Re: G-V; Stab Trim? Posted: 17 Dec 2022, 13:42 |
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Joined: 08/24/13 Posts: 9624 Post Likes: +4469 Company: Aviation Tools / CCX Location: KSMQ New Jersey
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Username Protected wrote: The resurrected Boeing thread prompted me to ask a buddy just back from G-V recurrent about stab trim ops and training. He mentioned that he doesn’t know/remember … not part of re-current and does not recall it being part of G-V initial.
His answer became; stab trim runaway on the G-V is impossible, but could not begin to explain how/why.
Anyone able to enlighten me? Up through at least the GV/550 (G1 - G550) Stab trim just compensates for flap position. There is a mechanical connection between the flaps and the stab trim. Actual pitch trim is done with trim tabs on the elevator. So you could get elevator trim runaway, but not stab trim
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Post subject: Re: G-V; Stab Trim? Posted: 17 Dec 2022, 22:16 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19938 Post Likes: +25007 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: There is a mechanical connection between the flaps and the stab trim. Which will never fail or be improperly assembled or maintained? I'm skeptical of that claim. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: G-V; Stab Trim? Posted: 17 Dec 2022, 23:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: The resurrected Boeing thread prompted me to ask a buddy just back from G-V recurrent about stab trim ops and training. He mentioned that he doesn’t know/remember … not part of re-current and does not recall it being part of G-V initial.
His answer became; stab trim runaway on the G-V is impossible, but could not begin to explain how/why.
Anyone able to enlighten me? Technically, it would be a runaway pitch trim, not stab trim runaway, and that is very possible to occur in the G-V and family of aircraft. The checklist that covers this situation is "Runaway Pitch Trim"
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Post subject: Re: G-V; Stab Trim? Posted: 18 Dec 2022, 00:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: There is a mechanical connection between the flaps and the stab trim. Which will never fail or be improperly assembled or maintained? I'm skeptical of that claim. Mike C.
Which claim? My description of the stab trim or something else?
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Post subject: Re: G-V; Stab Trim? Posted: 18 Dec 2022, 00:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: There is a mechanical connection between the flaps and the stab trim. Which will never fail or be improperly assembled or maintained? I'm skeptical of that claim. Mike C.
When the flaps are repositioned, a signal is sent to a MCU to drive the stab actuator. The command comes from the flap position based on an RVDT, or there's a backup system where the pilot or co-pilot trim switch on the yoke can move the stabilizer as well.
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Post subject: Re: G-V; Stab Trim? Posted: 18 Dec 2022, 01:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: When the flaps are repositioned, a signal is sent to a MCU to drive the stab actuator. That's not what I would call a "mechanical connection". Software is involved. Clearly, stab trim runaway is possible. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: G-V; Stab Trim? Posted: 18 Dec 2022, 01:28 |
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Joined: 08/24/13 Posts: 9624 Post Likes: +4469 Company: Aviation Tools / CCX Location: KSMQ New Jersey
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Username Protected wrote: There is a mechanical connection between the flaps and the stab trim. When the flaps are repositioned, a signal is sent to a MCU to drive the stab actuator. The command comes from the flap position based on an RVDT, or there's a backup system where the pilot or co-pilot trim switch on the yoke can move the stabilizer as well.
I just looked it up, the GII/III/IV are the mechanical ones. The later ones are not.
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Post subject: Re: G-V; Stab Trim? Posted: 18 Dec 2022, 01:29 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19938 Post Likes: +25007 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: I'm skeptical of that claim. Which claim? My description of the stab trim or something else? Seems it is not mechanically connected.
Seems like stab trim runaway is possible.
Mike C.
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