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Post subject: Re: Buff Upgrades … Posted: 09 Nov 2022, 20:23 |
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Joined: 08/17/15 Posts: 913 Post Likes: +546 Company: Looking again… Location: Hattiesburg, MS
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Username Protected wrote: BUFFs are in the pattern every day at Barksdale. Fly in to KDTN and watch them. We have a new cafe which is really good. There is an aerobatic box over KDTN for the Red Bull team and they are out there most days.
The new engines will erase our standard grease streak in the sky. Fighters will have to look on RADAR to find us now. :-) How quickly can you climb that BUFF? I’ve been passing thru about 15 miles south of Barksdale the past few days and haven’t seen y’all. Even at FL250, I should be able to find ya.
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Post subject: Re: Buff Upgrades … Posted: 09 Nov 2022, 22:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone know the oldest flying SN of the Buff? And/or most airframe hours? Can’t imagine there’s any other model that’s been in active duty as long. 1974-1977 I was a copilot on B52H model at KI SAWYER AFB in the UP of Michigan. As I recall most planes had a little over 6000 hours. Was surprised when I went to work for American Airlines their B727-100s were in the mid 60,000 hours. If it ain’t Boeing I’m not going. Never flew a flying Renault. (Scare Bus).
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Post subject: Re: Buff Upgrades … Posted: 09 Nov 2022, 22:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: The BUFF does not lack for climb performance. We get outta town in a hurry. I do not know this for certain but in mid 1970s we had a Major that pissed somebody off and he was sent from F4 phantoms to the H model. He was an excellent pilot and claimed that a H model weighing less than 325,000# would out climb the F4 to 25,000ft. Max Gross was 488,000#. Interesting tid bit. During Cold War sitting alert you were to attempt 6 engine TO if that’s all you could get started. NO BULL! Hey, it didn’t matter because the Rooskies would be raining nukes on you 15 minutes after the Claxton sounded.
_________________ Dan F Indecision is the key to flexibility
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Post subject: Re: Buff Upgrades … Posted: 10 Nov 2022, 00:21 |
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We had 2 D's and 4 F's at Griffiss until 1980ish. They would taxi them around once in a while when a Soviet satellite would be overhead. We got them flyable for their final flight to Davis Montham after Salt II was ratified. I'm sure the USSR played the same games.
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Post subject: Re: Buff Upgrades … Posted: 10 Nov 2022, 06:10 |
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If I had been a bit early in UPT, I would have flown brand new aircraft. MD ANG got most of their A-10s right off the assembly line in HGR. So we had aircraft with single digit hours.  By the time I was back from training, the airplanes were about 1 - 2 years old. 
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Post subject: Re: Buff Upgrades … Posted: 10 Nov 2022, 10:35 |
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Joined: 11/22/08 Posts: 3078 Post Likes: +1048 Company: USAF Propulsion Laboratory Location: Dayton, OH
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My old boss (Marv Stibich) presented a paper at the 2000 AIAA Joint Propulsion Conference about the B-52 "Fly the Airplane Your Great Grandfather Flew"
And another generation has passed since then. Up to Great Great Grandfather by now!
New engines are a great upgrade for this plane, although that should have been done decades ago.
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Post subject: Re: Buff Upgrades … Posted: 11 Nov 2022, 21:53 |
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I wouldn't think it's either-or. There is always going to be a need for a large platform that can stand-off at a large distance where stealth is not needed, with the more important factor being how many cruise missiles it can carry.
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Post subject: Re: Buff Upgrades … Posted: 21 Nov 2022, 03:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: T-38 started flying 1961, so some of them are older than the BUFFs.
And in their training role, some probably have more hours. They have been rewinged a couple of times by the time I flew them in 82 First T-38 flew in '59. I flew a '59 model at Holloman in the late 80's. Had around 13,000 hours which I though was a lot, but many are now well over 20,000 hrs. The earlier jets have been retired, and mostly on the flightline, at least at Sheppard, are mid-late 60's and early 70's tails. It is a tired fleet.
1964 tails are about the oldest T-38's you'll see, I'm pretty sure. Beale still has 12 T-38A models... and nothing has changed in the cockpit since the late 80's except for an ADS-B panel that replaces the IFF/SIF. Half of them are 64 and 65 models. Most of the 12 jets are over 20,000 hours.
New T-38 wings are being manufactured in Israel. Beale has 2 on their jets now.
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Post subject: Re: Buff Upgrades … Posted: 21 Nov 2022, 08:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wouldn't think it's either-or. There is always going to be a need for a large platform that can stand-off at a large distance where stealth is not needed, with the more important factor being how many cruise missiles it can carry. IIRC, when kit’d out as Dumbo the Bomb Truck, it can carry 256 JDAMS. FWIW; C-17 and C-130 transports can also air launch cruise missles via parachute extraction out the ramp.
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