BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 18:22

Great fan of the 201 20J. Nice handling and precise tourer with a very reliable Lycoming. 64 USG gives them reasonable IFR range.

1. Pretty comfortable although a bit sportier and less upright than conventional Wichita seat design.
2. Landings very straightforward although not sure how kind off tarmac is to the fuel tanks
3. 8 1/2 USGPH and 140 KTAS at 55%

It is not churlish to suggest despite the very strong Kerrville wing, the Beechcraft build quality still stands out in comparison.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 19:33

Username Protected wrote:

This isn't reddit ;-)

guilty as charged! but i figured it was a good way to make some new friends

i've never flown in a Bonanza, but I did fly right seat of John Hannigan's Beech 18 ( https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-spac ... 126199107/ ). Maybe one of you Bo guys will take pity on me and trade rides.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 19:45

Username Protected wrote:

How many hours in your Bravo? # of engines over the years? What altitudes do you usually fly? Panel set up today? Pics? Glad to have you here. I’m thinking your going to start a fight though about “size”, but what’s new with pilots… :coffee:

1. Cramped? No the Mooney long bodies are wider than the Bo and lots of room for legs. The truthful reality is ALL planes are tight.
2. Why so hard to land? No not so hard. After you master it you can easily transition to flying almost any other plane. Energy management is key. (Tail wheels add a new twist but energy management is still key along with directional control.
3. IO550TN I don’t believe so unless above 14k or so. Perhaps Bravo engine can. Never tried that down low.

Question (1) I think dependent of your body type, size, flexibility, trip requirements etc. I’m usually 1-2 people and Mooney is very comfortable, fast, efficient and built stout.

oh, you have an acclaim! nice bird. I admire the Continental with the twin turbos. do you have the 310HP?

my bravo has 1100+ hours, and I have flown about 600 of them. My son (ATP) and ex (CFI) have the rest. still on its factory engine, and its been 100% solid.

This the plane's 3rd panel. the first was the factory KX-155/KLN-89B/Argus7000, and we quickly replaced it with the 530/430 panel you saw in the ad. Unfortunately, I was sick for a few years, and the plane sat so when we got flying again it had no WAAS and no ADS-B. I decided to put in a mid-life panel and went with G3X/G5/GTN750xi/GNC355/ GTX345/GMA35C/G500

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 20:00

yes, the tail is on backwards! the V stab and the rudder are the same piece of tin as the H stab and the elevators! unlike most small planes, trim is not an anti-servo tab, but rather the entire tailplane tilts on a jackscrew like the 737 (for better or worse!).

I'm 6'1" tall and on the narrower side, so I'm pretty comfortable. I've flown with rounder people, and they weren't very comfortable. it definitely has a sports car feel to the interior, unlike, say, the 182, and its not as easy to get in and out of the pax dor.

I plan 25gph in the climb (more like 26.2 actual, 30 minutes to 15,000+), and 20 (more like 18.5 actual) in cruise at 30/2400 and 78% power. With 89 gallons, its a 3.5 hour airplane at anywhere from 180-200+ KTAS from 8KL-18,000ft, so i stick to 7-800nm legs. I can pull it back and get more endurance, but my bladder doesnt like that so I've only ever done it a few times when I needed a 100nm extra.

My son really likes flying the the plane too. here he is showing off his ATP-level skills

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 21:32

Username Protected wrote:

yes, the tail is on backwards! the V stab and the rudder are the same piece of tin as the H stab and the elevators! unlike most small planes, trim is not an anti-servo tab, but rather the entire tailplane tilts on a jackscrew like the 737 (for better or worse!).

The vertical stab does not move on a 737, so a Mooney tail is closer to a Jetstar.

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 22:13

Single turbo?
Intercooled? Need pics...
Angle valve?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 22:25

The Skywagons University guy on YouTube compared an M20 and a Cessna 177 and says the Mooney is the same width inside. True?

The Archer is supposed to be the same width as a 172, but SWMBO and I are hip to hip in that plane, which is a pain because the trim is on the floor between the seats.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 22:32

Username Protected wrote:

oh, you have an acclaim! nice bird. I admire the Continental with the twin turbos. do you have the 310HP?

my bravo has 1100+ hours, and I have flown about 600 of them. My son (ATP) and ex (CFI) have the rest. still on its factory engine, and its been 100% solid.

This the plane's 3rd panel. the first was the factory KX-155/KLN-89B/Argus7000, and we quickly replaced it with the 530/430 panel you saw in the ad. Unfortunately, I was sick for a few years, and the plane sat so when we got flying again it had no WAAS and no ADS-B. I decided to put in a mid-life panel and went with G3X/G5/GTN750xi/GNC355/ GTX345/GMA35C/G500

Nice panel Bob!

I put 555 hrs on N9124X, a '91 Bravo that we owned for a while. Loved that plane!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 22:36

I didn’t fully appreciate the genius of Al Mooney until I flew the M18 Mite. The Mite is just like the bigger Mooneys right down to the trim system that moves the entire tail, and rubber doughnut trailing link gear. And it flies just like a Mooney, just one with a gross of 850lbs!

Once you get past how darn little you are, it flys like any other airplane. Want good gas mileage? Pull it back and you can get 40-50mpg depending on altitude.

Here is a picture of mine. Turned out to be the same color and year (‘56) as the T28, and of course 1/20 the fuel burn!

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Jun 2022, 23:00

Username Protected wrote:

How many hours in your Bravo? # of engines over the years? What altitudes do you usually fly? Panel set up today? Pics? Glad to have you here. I’m thinking your going to start a fight though about “size”, but what’s new with pilots… :coffee:

1. Cramped? No the Mooney long bodies are wider than the Bo and lots of room for legs. The truthful reality is ALL planes are tight.
2. Why so hard to land? No not so hard. After you master it you can easily transition to flying almost any other plane. Energy management is key. (Tail wheels add a new twist but energy management is still key along with directional control.
3. IO550TN I don’t believe so unless above 14k or so. Perhaps Bravo engine can. Never tried that down low.

Question (1) I think dependent of your body type, size, flexibility, trip requirements etc. I’m usually 1-2 people and Mooney is very comfortable, fast, efficient and built stout.

oh, you have an acclaim! nice bird. I admire the Continental with the twin turbos. do you have the 310HP?

my bravo has 1100+ hours, and I have flown about 600 of them. My son (ATP) and ex (CFI) have the rest. still on its factory engine, and its been 100% solid.

This the plane's 3rd panel. the first was the factory KX-155/KLN-89B/Argus7000, and we quickly replaced it with the 530/430 panel you saw in the ad. Unfortunately, I was sick for a few years, and the plane sat so when we got flying again it had no WAAS and no ADS-B. I decided to put in a mid-life panel and went with G3X/G5/GTN750xi/GNC355/ GTX345/GMA35C/G500

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Jun 2022, 01:38

Username Protected wrote:

yes, the tail is on backwards! the V stab and the rudder are the same piece of tin as the H stab and the elevators! unlike most small planes, trim is not an anti-servo tab, but rather the entire tailplane tilts on a jackscrew like the 737 (for better or worse!).

The vertical stab does not move on a 737, so a Mooney tail is closer to a Jetstar.

.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Jun 2022, 01:42

Username Protected wrote:

Is the factory open or closed for spares? Where do you get support?

--paul

It's open, just not building new planes. Spares are available, but patience might be required for some things.

I got new control surface skins through a service center & factory last year for hail repair. They were ordered weeks before I had a slot for the work to get done, but it all worked out. V-tail owners aren't as lucky, unfortunately.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Jun 2022, 06:09

My brother has a 201. :thumbup:

I got stuck getting out of the thing once! :bugeye:

Never happened with the V35B! :lol:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Jun 2022, 07:21

Quote:

The vertical stab does not move on a 737, so a Mooney tail is closer to a Jetstar.

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well, I meant "like the 737" in that it has an all moving tail

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Jun 2022, 07:23

Username Protected wrote:

The Skywagons University guy on YouTube compared an M20 and a Cessna 177 and says the Mooney is the same width inside. True?

The Archer is supposed to be the same width as a 172, but SWMBO and I are hip to hip in that plane, which is a pain because the trim is on the floor between the seats.

i have very little time in cessnas, but to me they felt like riding in a buick. is the 177 narrower than the 172? flew a lot of cherokees, and they feel wider than the mooney. a mooney feels more like a porsche.

I own a Mooney: Ask me anything