Any one from the “old days” of MC and I having spirited conversations about Cirri ever think I would +1 Mike with the above statement?

Without the prepositional phrase at the end, I’d’a had to make some comparisons.

If you read the studies you'd see one is from 2019, using US Govt. data from 2017, when Tesla was a smaller part of the e-car installed base. The other is from 2021. Feel free to post some more recent studies, using data that doesn't come from the Tesla marketing department.Right back at you, Mike. It's even more sad when people ascribe bias to anyone who posts anything they prefer not to believe.

Remember that thread ? You guys are like the two old guys in the balcony of the muppet show

I agree with MC's assessment. We have a model Y, Subaru, and Tundra pickup truck. The Y is driven the most miles by far and the other two only when needed. It's well built, fun, quiet, low maintenance, and has the convenience of being charged at the house with my solar panels and battery. If we have a power outage, no big deal, nearly everything in the house still operates and I can still charge the car. I've become more impressed with the car over time and my wife loves it.

Source for my numbers:

https://interestingengineering.com/tesl ... rket-share

"According to the latest data of the California-based vehicle valuation and automotive research company Kelley Blue Book, Tesla has the lion’s share with 75 percent market share in the electric vehicle market in the first three months of 2022."

Article from April 29, 2022, so about 6 weeks ago, which counts as recent. Kelley Blue Book has a reputation for providing objective data on the automotive market. Their data comes from registrations, actual owners having cars, and not anything Tesla provides.

So the numbers are solid, and don't come from Tesla, despite your assumption they do.

Mike C.

This one is interesting and Austin Meyer the founder of x-plane is involved.

https://www.beta.team

Has 4 rotors to take off and land vertically, and a pusher prop config for cruise. Claimed 250 NM range and 50 minutes charging time.

Lots of conjecture in here. Lots of religion.

Efficiency and cost are irrelevant independently. Until we start using levelized cost as the master metric and building in a carbon price based on current direct air capture figures, we are comparing apples and crab apples.

Re: electric GA, it'd make a lot more sense to store most of the energy as liquid H2, and just buffer power delivery with a small comparatively heavy chemical battery. Cooling is a problem for fuel cells (ask ZeroAvia), and liquid H2 has energy-of-cold in spades.

-J

Source for my numbers:
https://interestingengineering.com/tesl ... rket-share
"According to the latest data of the California-based vehicle valuation and automotive research company Kelley Blue Book, Tesla has the lion’s share with 75 percent market share in the electric vehicle market in the first three months of 2022."
So the numbers are solid, and don't come from Tesla, despite your assumption they do.

Mike and I are disagreeing about the facts because we both agree that facts matter, in contrast to the "I've made up my mind, don't bother me with the facts" belief system that so many live by. As Keynes is supposed to have said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"

I am not surprised that EVs have a lower average. they are range limited so the long trips will be done with conventional auto's

also EVs are not cheap so all the low income people will be using gasoline as a fuel