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Post subject: Re: Cessna something coming 2.10.2022 Posted: 12 Feb 2022, 11:31 |
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Joined: 08/01/11 Posts: 6704 Post Likes: +5737 Location: In between the opioid and marijuana epidemics
Aircraft: 182, A36TC
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The T182T is a sweet plane. What it lacks is useful load. Likely will not get any increase because of nosewheel. AFAIK it carries a reduced landing weight due to nosewheel strength.
_________________ Fly High,
Ryan Holt CFI
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Post subject: Re: Cessna something coming 2.10.2022 Posted: 12 Feb 2022, 12:29 |
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Joined: 03/28/17 Posts: 8213 Post Likes: +10382 Location: N. California
Aircraft: C-182
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Username Protected wrote: Y'all are forgetting your history. So are you!  The 210 with strut first became the 205. The 205 became the 206 a couple years later.
The "205" model was actually the 210-5 model designation, but commonly called the 205.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna something coming 2.10.2022 Posted: 12 Feb 2022, 13:50 |
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Joined: 03/29/13 Posts: 999 Post Likes: +816
Aircraft: PA18, C120/180/210
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Username Protected wrote: The 182's of the 70's do better than that. And with the STC with the 150 pounds gross weight increase, even better.
My '75 182 P which has the gross weight increase STC, and a 520 with a 3-blade prop will carry 4 185 pound people, plus 130 pounds of baggage, 75 gallons of useful fuel, and fly for 4 hours at 155 knots with a 45 minute reserve. Useful load 1320.
All 182s are about the best planes around. However, how does the 520 version do at FL190 with 3 on board and full fuel? Have taken the T182T coast to coast about a dozen times, in all weather; it’s quite a capable aircraft. First year 210s are basically 180/182s (depends on who you ask) with retracts stuffed in. After 1960 model year it starts to diverge from that analogy, and soon after loses the struts. Just brought back to full time use a 1960 model so am familiar. 210s have complicated hydraulic gear and are not loved by insurance companies. A T182T will do over 150 ktas. If going a small distance, going faster than that (i.e. 170) won’t make much of a difference. If going a large distance, going faster won’t make much of a difference either.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna something coming 2.10.2022 Posted: 12 Feb 2022, 14:27 |
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Joined: 12/19/11 Posts: 3307 Post Likes: +1434 Company: Bottom Line Experts Location: KTOL - Toledo, OH
Aircraft: 2004 SR22 G2
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No matter how long I fly or what other airplanes I fly later, I’ll never lose my love for C182’s. Nate’s quote is perfect. When I describe them to others, I explain that they don’t stand out in any one are but are ‘good’ at everything: fun to fly, easy to land, good visibility, good performance, good cabin room, good UL. I never had an unenjoyable flight in the 182 I flew for years. I just love ‘em.
The only exception I recall was when I ran into some light icing on one flight, so if there is a downside, it’s the lack of FIKI but most 182’s are flown in VFR not hard IFR.
In my imaginary hangar of a dozen different aircraft I’d have one of these new T182T’s.
_________________ Don Coburn Corporate Expense Reduction Specialist 2004 SR22 G2
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Post subject: Re: Cessna something coming 2.10.2022 Posted: 12 Feb 2022, 22:30 |
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Joined: 03/28/17 Posts: 8213 Post Likes: +10382 Location: N. California
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Username Protected wrote: The 182's of the 70's do better than that. And with the STC with the 150 pounds gross weight increase, even better.
My '75 182 P which has the gross weight increase STC, and a 520 with a 3-blade prop will carry 4 185 pound people, plus 130 pounds of baggage, 75 gallons of useful fuel, and fly for 4 hours at 155 knots with a 45 minute reserve. Useful load 1320.
All 182s are about the best planes around. However, how does the 520 version do at FL190 with 3 on board and full fuel? Have taken the T182T coast to coast about a dozen times, in all weather; it’s quite a capable aircraft. First year 210s are basically 180/182s (depends on who you ask) with retracts stuffed in. After 1960 model year it starts to diverge from that analogy, and soon after loses the struts. Just brought back to full time use a 1960 model so am familiar. 210s have complicated hydraulic gear and are not loved by insurance companies. A T182T will do over 150 ktas. If going a small distance, going faster than that (i.e. 170) won’t make much of a difference. If going a large distance, going faster won’t make much of a difference either.
" How does the 520 version do at FL 190 with 3 onboard and full fuel?"
I really don't know Av, I haven't tried it. The plane has a service ceiling of FL220, certified at gross weight by Texas Skyways in the STC. Given the conditions you listed it would be about 250 pounds under gross weight.
I did a lot of instrument instruction in 182's in the 70's, which sold me on the plane; great stable instrument platform.
I remember my CFII check ride with a Fed out of Oakland, CA. It was a real weather day, and there weren't the weather products available then like we have now like tablets displaying NEXRAD. The plane was was a /A with King KX 170's. We took off planning to do an approach at Concord, but a front moved in and we flew into a cell, with rain coming down so hard in was coming in all the vents and pounding on the windshield. The Fed was pretty nervous , and said "lets go back to Oakland."
About that time ATC changed all the Bay Area approaches to the "southeast plan" so I was scrambling to get those charts out, hand flying in heavy rain and turbulence. The Fed said, "look; if you can get us back on the ground, you'll pass your checkride." We got back fine, and there wasn't any other airplane I would like to have been flying that day but the 182.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna something coming 2.10.2022 Posted: 13 Feb 2022, 09:22 |
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Joined: 03/29/13 Posts: 999 Post Likes: +816
Aircraft: PA18, C120/180/210
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Username Protected wrote: " How does the 520 version do at FL 190 with 3 onboard and full fuel?"
I really don't know Av, I haven't tried it. The plane has a service ceiling of FL220, certified at gross weight by Texas Skyways in the STC. Given the conditions you listed it would be about 250 pounds under gross weight.
That makes sense, since the NA 210 now flying has performance charts for FL200 and it has 40 less horsepower than your conversion. Though I think would take a long time to get there. The nice thing about the T182T however is that it's still climbing ~650 fpm at FL200. Your IFR checkride sounds not so different than mine (also in Bay area), though had way more toys, so the risk of not finding the ground again intentionally was minimal.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna something coming 2.10.2022 Posted: 13 Feb 2022, 14:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: 210 accident history is not very good. Liability for it would be much higher. I know this is just hearsay, but I could swear that an insurance pro posted once that 210s have had some costly gear up accidents that are driving the high cost of insurance. That I believe is correct. I was reacting to Mike's comment that the accident history was poor therefore the liability would be higher. Perhaps Mike didn't mean it literally, but gear ups are usually incidents that don't cause much injury therefore hull coverage is expansive, not liability.
The one area where 210s have a higher accident rate is fuel management issues. Both are thought to be related to pilots moving up in the Cessna line: low RG time, no Both fuel Selector position, and skinny wet wing fuel tanks as opposed to big square bladder tanks. No one knows for sure.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna something coming 2.10.2022 Posted: 18 Feb 2022, 02:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: If Textron believed the market was large enough to restart 210 production they would likely do just that. The market looks very small to me based on the sales of the G36 Bonanza. Fixed gear is where it is at (like it or not) in this market. Cirrus has obviously taken control at the high end with legacy Cessnas and Pipers at the lower price points. The problem with the G36 (and new 206) is that you can’t actually put 6 people in them. So there really is no new 6 seater. My 1975 NA 210 has a 1525 UL. I have 1,000lbs after putting in 90 gallons and I burn 11 gph lop at 10k feet @ 150 kts. When the engine is run out I will put in an tuned induction cirrus engine. I would think the market for an actual 6 seater would be good. BWTHDIK
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